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So many of us feel the ground moving under our feet right now. The world feels louder, harsher, and more uncertain, and it can leave you bracing for the next hit. Not just stressed, but spiritually homesick. You want meaning that actually holds you when things feel shaky, yet the usual answers fall flat. The news doesn’t help. Hustle doesn’t help. Even “positive vibes” don’t help.

This episode solves that inner collapse. In my conversation with global spiritual teacher, bestselling author, and activist Marianne Williamson, we come back to love as a lived practice, not a concept. Marianne shares how to move from fear and helplessness into devotion, discipline, and embodied compassion, so your nervous system can settle and your heart can open. You’ll leave with a steadier inner anchor, a clearer sense of what these times are calling you into, and a simple path for living your principles out loud when it matters most.

About Marianne Williamson

Marianne Williamson is a global spiritual teacher, bestselling author, and activist who has guided people for more than four decades. She’s written over a dozen books, including A Return to Love and The Mystic Jesus, and she’s known worldwide for her clear, compassionate voice. Marianne is also a powerful advocate for social justice, and a leading voice for conscious spirituality and love-based living.

In this episode we chat about:

• What if Jesus was a mystic teacher, not a religious test you have to pass (4:52)
• The first inner move to make when the world feels intense and uncertain (10:24)
• If “Jesus” or “God” shuts you down, here’s how to get past the words and into the truth (15:40)
• A more honest, grounded way to hold “everything happens for a reason” without bypassing your pain (17:36)
• How “my way is the only way” quietly creates separation, and the simple shift that softens it (20:47)
• The most common blocks that stop people on the spiritual path, and how to meet them with compassion (25:03)
• Your kids are watching your nervous system, not your advice, so here’s what to embody (27:47)
• Simple practices to come back to the present when you feel scattered, anxious, or untethered (31:43)
• Disciple and discipline, and why devotion can calm anxiety and steady your mind (39:21)
• Marianne’s midlife awakening and the moment that changed everything (42:17)
• The first book Marianne recommends if you’re brand new to spirituality (45:47)
• The one book she believes every child should study at school (46:20)
• Marianne’s daily rituals for staying anchored, open, and guided (47:29)

Episode resources:

• Mastering Your Mean Girl by Melissa Ambrosini (book)
• Open Wide by Melissa Ambrosini (book)
• Comparisonitis by Melissa Ambrosini (book)
• Time Magic by Melissa Ambrosini and Nick Broadhurst (book)
• Marianne Williamson (website)
• Marianne Williamson (Instagram)
• A Course In Miracles With Marianne Williamson (podcast)
• All Marianne’s books (shop) 
• Marianne Williamson Live Events (website)
• God Wears Lipstick: Kabbalah For Women by Karen Berg (book)

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Melissa: [00:00:00] The Melissa Ambrosini Show. Welcome to the Melissa Ambrosini Show. I’m your host, Melissa bestselling author of Mastering Your Mean Girl, open, wide, comparisonitis and Time Magic. And I’m here to remind you that love is sexy, healthy is liberating, and wealthy isn’t a dirty word. Each week I’ll be getting up close and personal with thought leaders from around the globe, as well as your weekly dose of motivation so that you can create epic change in your own life and become the best version of yourself possible.

Are you ready? Beautiful. Hey, beautiful. Welcome back to the show. I’m so excited about this episode because I have one of my favorite spiritual teachers. Back for round two, we have Marianne Williamson. She was first on the show at episode 75 way back then, and the title of that episode was A [00:01:00] Course in Miracles with Marianne Williamson.

And I will link to it in the show notes because it was one of the most downloaded episodes of all time. And if you are a spiritual person who wants to live more from that place of love, then you would love that episode. And so we have her back, which I’m so excited about. And for those of you that have never heard of Maryanne Williamson, well, for the past four decades, she has been a leader of spiritually progressive circles.

She’s the author of six. Teen books, four of which have become number one, New York Times best sellers. I mean, wow. Right now, a quote from the mega bestseller, A Return to Love, which if you have not read that book, do yourself a favor. Stop what you’re doing and go and read that book. That was one of the first books that I read on my spiritual journey, and it was such a [00:02:00] game changer for me.

Anyway, I wanna read the quote that I absolutely love from that book, and you’ve probably heard of it, and it goes like this. Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. Mm. Write that down. On a poster and stick it on your bathroom mirror and read it every single day.

Now, this is considered an anthem of a contemporary generation of seekers. Now, her other bestsellers include A Woman’s worth, the Law of Divine Compensation, tears to Triumph, and the Gift of Change. With her books and online classes, she has taught millions of people the universal spiritual principles at the heart of Miracle Minded Thinking.

She has founded Project Angel Food, a nonprofit organization that has delivered more than 18 million meals, ill or dying home bound patients in the LA area since [00:03:00] 1989. And the group was created to help people suffering from HIV and aids. She has also worked throughout her career on poverty, anti-hunger, and racial reconciliation issues.

In 2004, she co-founded the Peace Alliance and supported the creation of the US Department of Peace. This woman is incredible. She’s not only full of love and wisdom, but she is one of the kindest humans on the planet. Now, without further ado, let’s get this conversation going because you are going to wanna take notes.

You’re gonna probably wanna listen to this one over and over again, so download it. And for everything that we mention in today’s episode, you can check out in the show notes, and that’s over@melissaambrosini.com slash 6 8 3. Now, without further ado, let’s bring on the incredible Marianne Williamson.[00:04:00] 

Marianne, welcome back to the show. I’m so excited to have you here. You were last here, episode 75, A Course in Miracles. So it has been a long time, but I’m so excited to have you back and to chat about one of your new books, the Mystic Jesus, because I don’t know about you, but I feel like Jesus is really having a reemergence right now.

I feel like so many people are going back to church. I’ve got my own story with church, but I’m really excited to dive deep in this with you today. You know, I’ve been a huge fan of your work. I shared this in the other episode. A Return to Love was one of the first books I read 15 years ago that was such a game changer for me on this journey.

So I absolutely love that book. I recommend it to everybody. But let’s talk about the mystic Jesus. You call him a teacher of our time. Now, for those that may not [00:05:00] identify with traditional Christianity, what universal lessons does the Mystic Jesus offer to anyone seeking peace, purpose, or a higher understanding of life?

Because I know for a lot of people, you know Jesus and God, it can be really triggering for them. So I’d love to hear your perspective on this. 

Marianne: First of all, thank you for having me and congratulations on the success and the almost long lived nature of your, of your podcast at this point. So congratulations to you and thank you for having me back on.

The essence of this is that the Christian religion does not really have a monopoly on Jesus. Many people are finding Jesus within the context of Christian dogma and doctrine. But many people, particularly today, I think are not, are seeing him more as a universal teacher. And from an esoteric or mystical perspective, the idea of Jesus as teacher is the idea of an internal [00:06:00] teacher.

There’s a line in the course in Miracles where it says religion and psychotherapy at their peak are the same thing because they both have to do with the healing of the mind. For instance, when Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world, my kingdom is within you. Well, this was centuries before anybody was talking about words like psychology.

It was centuries before the birth of of Sigmund Freud. But today we find the idea of an inner life. Inner dimensions of consciousness. Inner dimensions of consciousness, which in fact are ruled by unalterable, discernible laws no differently than the external world is kind of mind blowing. And the idea that there is this eternal communication link between the mind as we live it in the world, and the mind of the divine intelligence that exists within us.

Who’s not looking for that? Now, the idea of [00:07:00] Jesus from a, from a spiritual perspective is that he is someone, and the course in miracles says that he’s not the only one. Although if he, if this teacher speaks to you, you need no other, but nobody is claiming an exclusivity on that. Now, take the line that you see.

In traditional Christianity, there is only one begotten son to the traditional Christian, there is only one begotten son. Means Jesus is the only one to the esoteric, mystical perspective on Jesus. The idea is that there is only one begotten son. Refers to the fact that on the level of spirit, obviously not on the level of body.

On the level of body, you’re over there and I’m over here. But the level of spirit is such that there’s no place where I stop and you start that the body is just like a suit of clothes, but that on the level of spirit, we are all one. So that when [00:08:00] the Bible says there’s only one begotten son, that the esoteric meaning of that would be we’re all it.

Now, if you identify the spokes of a wheel with their position on the rim, it looks like there are many, many spokes and they’re all separate from one another. But if you take the spokes and you follow it down each one to its source points, the hub, that’s a point that all the spokes share Now. Many of us, many people, many of your listeners I’m sure are aware of the work of Carl Jung.

Carl Jung said, if you go deep enough into your mind and deep enough into mine that there is a level of mental imagery, which he called archetypes that we all share. The level of the Christ mind is that if you go deep enough into your mind and deep [00:09:00] enough into mind, it’s the same mind. It’s a shared identity.

God only created one. One name for that shared identity is Jesus. Because the idea is that Jesus is someone who lived on the earth, but while here. He fully actualized the consciousness of love or the divine or God. He dropped everything else. He burned through everything else. The stuff that all we’re all working on, my negativity, my fear, my victimization, my neediness, my anger, whatever it is, dissolved it, burned it, burned it, burned it.

And the course in Miracle says that having achieved that state, he has been authorized by God. But only if we request it. Because if we don’t request it, it would be a violation of our free will that will not occur. But if we requested that he impress himself upon our mind, he says, my mind joined with your mind can shine [00:10:00] away the ego.

So there’s this that’s going on on the planet today, the very idea that this kind of. Bridge of perception occurs within our consciousness as a creation of God. It is unalterable, it is unbeatable, and literally all we have to do is ask. 

Melissa: There’s so much pain and suffering in the world at the moment. What do you think the first step for a lot of people 

Marianne: is?

Forgive whoever. You’re not forgiving, because miracles occur naturally as expressions of love. We need a miracle in the world because we have been dominated for ages by a thought system based on lovelessness or fear, and we have manifest because of this. The idea is that all thought creates form on some level, the pain of the suffering as a result of the sick thinking of humanity.

The course in Miracle says a [00:11:00] miracle is a shift in perception from the thinking that the world taught us. The thinking of fear, God bless you to the thinking of love, which is our true being. Now, the idea here is that when we have a grievance, we’re judging someone, we’re attacking someone. We’re seeing them only as they were in their past.

We are deflecting the miracle of self-organization and self-correction that the universe would otherwise bring about. So. When we forgive people, once again, you can have a grievance or a miracle. You can’t have both. So the first thing to do, look at your mind. See who you’re attacking. See who you’re judging.

See who you’re blaming. It’s like mind blowing if you’re honest with yourself and you see that because every time we’re blaming someone, we’re putting up a barrier. The course Miracle says you’re like people in a very bright room, but you’re putting your fingers in front of your eyes. You’re complaining it’s dark in here, when in fact the universe is [00:12:00] self-organizing and self-correcting.

There’s no problem that would not, and could not be miraculously repaired. Would be, would be be willing to open our hearts. A lot easier said than done though. And we all know that. You know, truth is simple, but life is complicated. So I don’t say any of what I just said is like, oh, you just, you know, open your heart sometimes.

It’s very difficult. We were betrayed, we were abandoned, we were treated unkindly. Yet still, that’s the work to be done. It doesn’t make us less psychologically astute doesn’t mean you go back into a situation that you’ve come to see was emotionally, psychologically, or even physically harmful. It just means that you do not have to get stuck in your own consciousness with an ident over identification with what harmed you.

Instead, you can realize the universe is ready to miraculously begin again, but you have to be willing to give up our over identification with the lovelessness of the world 

Melissa: and forgive ourselves. A lot of the [00:13:00] work starts with ourselves like there’s so much berating and judgment to toward our ourself.

Marianne: You’ve come to see that it’s just as blasphemous to attack yourself and you know you forgive others. And the the spiritual principle involved when we’re attacking ourselves is what, what’s called the atonement. Now in Judaism, the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur is the holiest day of the year for the Catholics.

This is what confession is with Alcoholics Anonymous. It’s a program of amends. You have to admit your character defects. So a lot of times we’re angry at ourselves ’cause we blew it. Sometimes we’re not wrong. How could I have been so stupid? How could I have been so stupid? You blew an opportunity. You did something you can’t believe you did or you didn’t do something you can’t believe you didn’t.

To atone is to say, I get it, I get it. I go back to that moment. I place it in the hands of God. Now I am willing to see this is the beautiful part here when we. Deflected [00:14:00] a miracle because in every moment we have a choice. You can either in that moment have your heart open or your heart closed, your heart open.

Miracles occur naturally, harmony, peace, breakthroughs, et cetera. When we close our hearts, we deflect that miracle. But the course, the miracle says that the miracle we could have had is held in trust for us until we are ready to receive it. So when we’re angry at ourselves, we have to be honest. We have to say, yeah, I, I, even if that person hurt me, how could have been so stupid to let them in the room?

What was I thinking when I dated them? What was I thinking when I married them? What was I thinking when I hired them? Whatever. But you atone. You go back, you, you own it, and you ask that your mind be corrected. Now you ask God to remove the personality characteristics, the blind spots. All those things that kept you from owning the miracle.

Now [00:15:00] then, and then the miracle, you know, it’ll be a different town. It’ll be different people, it’ll be a different situation, but the universe is always ready to begin again if our hearts are open. But that includes open heart to ourselves. And the last thing you want when you feel bad, because you know you blew something, the last thing you need is somebody saying, don’t, don’t feel bad.

There are no mistakes. No, there are mistakes. And this is, there are mistakes, but there are no mistakes that the universe cannot miraculously repair. 

Melissa: Mm. Underscore highlight that there are no mistakes that the universe cannot repair. I love that so much. I see a lot of people, and I’m sure you do too. They get really hung up on the word God or Jesus, and it closes them off.

You know, you refer to love Jesus, the divine, the universe. And I notice myself like I kind of say [00:16:00] the same thing, like I’ll say whatever you believe in God, the universe love, whatever it is you believe in, connect to that and I love that. That’s kind of what you do as well. What would you say for someone who is like very hung up on the words God and Jesus and it’s blocking them?

Marianne: There’s one truth, and it’s spoken in many different ways. I, I like the way an alcoholic’s anonymous. They talk about the God of your understanding, and they talk about a higher power. God is not offended if you don’t use his name, nor is Jesus. And you might say something like, look, I don’t know. I, I’m open, I’m willing, but you know, you’re gonna have to, you know, and you’ll be answered on that, but there’s no should coming from God.

There’s certainly no should coming from me. You know, some people really were like religiously abused, but you know, this is what’s so exciting about the time in which we live. [00:17:00] These same truths are described in terms of consciousness. There’s so many ways to talk about these things, and if those words are a problem for you, put it aside until there is truth will find its way in some other, some other book or some other teaching, and that’s okay too.

There’s nothing about the mystical Jesus, which is anything like, you have to believe in this, or You’re going to hell. None of that. That’s completely all paradigm, and it has nothing to do with the, with this, the explosion of spiritual understanding that is occurring on the planet today. 

Melissa: There’s so many things that are happening in the world at the moment, and then there’s so many things that are happening internally in our internal world, and I do believe that everything is happening for us.

It’s unfolding for our highest good, for our evolution, for our growth. Some people don’t believe that. They’re like, how could you say that with that person [00:18:00] passing away or that catastrophe? Like, how could you say that? Can you talk to that? 

Marianne: Those of us in the higher consciousness community should be the biggest grownups.

We should not be the most immature thinkers. The Holocaust happened. Children are dying in Gaza, and it doesn’t serve us or our community to look as though we don’t have the gravitas to understand that. So I think another way to language that. Is because the truth of the matter is every, that’s a way of saying it.

Some people would say it happened for a reason. Yeah. But sometimes it wasn’t a good reason. Yeah. The Holocaust happened for a reason. It was called Adolf Hitler. I think a way to look at these things is all thought, as I said, creates form on some level. There is no such thing as a neutral thought. Every thought either takes things to a, an uprising of consciousness, behavior, and manifestation, or to a decline [00:19:00] of consciousness and manifestation.

To say it’s happening for our own good is to say it’s happening according to law cause and effect. Cause and effect God himself. The course says cause and effect was created for your protection. You act with love. Think with love. It’s gonna be a really beautiful life you’re gonna have here. But that’s collectively.

That’s not to say that somebody who has experienced a tragedy did something wrong. That’s not what’s to say. But it’s talking about the u, the planet being off balance and askew in our thought system. So if, if we do something that is, and this is individually or collectively, and most importantly collectively, that is not reverent, not loving.

Some terrible things might happen. Now, I wouldn’t say they happened for our good because they were ego manifestations. But the ultimate good of God is nothing happens. Which [00:20:00] should you atone? Should you make amends, should you return to love? You cannot repair. 

Melissa: Yeah, it’s a beautiful reminder for all of us.

And a lot of the things that you are sharing remind me so much as well of some of the Kabbalah teachings. 

Marianne: Absolutely. Every religion has its mystical core, and Kabbalah is the mystical teachings of Judaism. And the course of miracle says it’s not up to you what you learn, it’s merely up to you whether you learn through joy or through pain.

And that’s true of an individual. It’s true of a, of a collection of people such as the nation, and it’s true of the species, uh, the kabbalahs, you know, the mystical, you know, teachings of Judaism. 

Melissa: And what about some people who get so caught up in like, this is the only way, like Christianity is the only way.

Catholicism is the only way. 

Marianne: Yeah. Well, for instance, [00:21:00] Judaism doesn’t do that. Hinduism doesn’t do that. Islam and, and, and a traditional interpretation of, of, of Christianity do that. Other religions do not do that. Buddhism doesn’t do that. Hinduism doesn’t do that. Judaism doesn’t do that. And it’s a, of course the miracles would call that, that we call that an ego thought.

That’s about form. It’s not about truth would just be on form. But once again, I think it’s interesting because, you know, you were talking about how some people feel I can respect and you can respect of course, that some people were taught that all their lives and it’s, it would be very difficult if I had been brought up as a child to believe that.

So, you know, nobody’s, you know, they say, and again, alcoholics Anonymous coming up here, attraction, not promotion, you know, universal mysticism is not trying to hit people over the head. And that’s what we thing, you know, in the gospel of Thomas, it’s very interesting. Jesus says to the [00:22:00] disciples, go out into the countryside.

Teach the gospel. But to teach from a metaphysical perspective is to demonstrate. And the gospel is love. He didn’t mean go hit other people over the head. You’ve gotta believe in this book to be saved. The only thing to be saved from is our own insane thinking on this planet. The only thing to be saved from is our own fear.

And God reaches people how he reaches people. So in the book of Thomas, when he said, go out into the countryside and teach the gospel, they said to him, well, where will we go? What will we say? And his response is, I’ll tell you when you get there, the intuition just to teach the gospel is to wake up every day and ask God to make you an instrument of love.

Melissa: Yeah, I say that prayer every morning, use me. Where would you have me go? What would you have me say? And to whom? 

Marianne: And by the way, teaching love to someone who doesn’t agree with [00:23:00] you religiously. Means respecting people for where they are and and how they think of things. And also, it’s so sad today because, because I’m a student of comparative religion, you know, all these different, I can see sometimes where people are disagreeing.

It’s just language, you know, somebody saying angels and demons. Well, the course of Miracle says Angels are the thoughts of God. Thousands of years before psychology. They knew there were, there was something inside my head, the good thoughts, the loving thoughts and the ones that are anything but that. And they called it angels and demons.

That’s all. Who’s to say that’s better or worse language than any other? 

Melissa: Yeah, I think this is where we can all just respect each other’s language that we choose. We’re all on the same journey. We’re all here doing our best. And if we could all just respect each other’s language that we choose, that would really make a difference.

Marianne: [00:24:00] Well, you and I are both citizens of an advanced democracy where people’s fa failure to do that is causing great harm as we speak. It’s beyond the world would be a nicer place. It’s that it’s our responsibility. Not only is the most conscious thing to do, but it’s our responsibility as citizens of free societies to realize that it is imperative that we do so.

And in both of our countries there are people who would seek to impose their religious teachings on others. That is one of the most barbaric and dangerous and dark forces of history, and it is astonishing how it’s back in in advanced societies such as ours. I mean, we’re used to it. Taliban, you know, we’re used to it in certain parts of the world.

But the fact that countries like Australia and the United States are [00:25:00] dealing with this, it’s just mind boggling. 

Melissa: In the Vedic tradition, they say, wait for the worthy inquiry. And in Kabbalah they, they call it the bread of shame, which is like where you project your belief systems. You tell somebody, you give something without their being that worthy inquiry, without their being that open, willing recipient to receive whatever it is that you wanna share.

And I think for me, like, you know, when I began on this journey, I wanted to like shout it from the rooftops. I wanted to like, come on, like come on this journey with me. Like I know another way of living and being that is so much more rewarding. And I realized that that actually repelled my parents. It repelled the people around me.

And so then I had this realization like, this is where. Embodiment. I have to just be, 

Marianne: but you know what, what you went through, we all, it’s the it, [00:26:00] I call it the characteristic overzealousness of the new student. I’ll tell you what my experience was. I’m Jewish, so I wasn’t taught anything about Jesus one way or the other.

My mother always said, the only thing she ever said that I remember was, it seems to me he was polite. Which is particularly funny because if you read the New Testament, and I really don’t know where she got that one, but she would just say to us, we don’t read that book Darlings. We read the other one. So I had nothing, which really served me actually because then when I started reading the Course in Miracles, and you could tell within the first few pages, this is now trying to convert you on your, the level of your religion.

That’s not what this is about. These are universal spiritual themes. I like you with. So like, oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. So this is where my head went. My head went, oh. I bet all my Christian friends, this must be what they talk about, like all the time. And they must just not talk about it in front of me ’cause they know I’m Jewish or they’re trying to be polite.

That’s what I assumed. So [00:27:00] I went to my Christian friends, I was like, okay, we can talk about Jesus. No, no. Oh my God, what has happened to you? And I realized, and, and as the years went on as a teacher and student, of course in miracles, because I was Jewish and I wasn’t taught any words like hell damn nation or anything like that, it was easier for me.

Many people that I knew had been taught wor, you know, the course of Miracle says enlightenment is not a learning, it’s an unlearning. So when it comes to Christ-centered, mystical philosophy, there’s a lot for a lot of people to unlearn. And so, like you said, you don’t have to talk about it, just model it.

Melissa: Yeah, absolutely. Embodiment, embodiment, embodiment. And having two little kids like. I’ve realized that even more over the past, almost five years of like, she watches everything I do and everything I say, and there’s [00:28:00] no point in me saying, eat this. I have to eat that. You know? It’s like if I want her to be a loving, kind, patient person and she’s got a little brother now and she has to share her toys, like if I want her to, to be this kind, loving, generous human being in the world, I have to model that for her.

It’s the biggest school, 

Marianne: but you know, and it works. I’ll tell you another way that works. I was with my own grand babies today and their mother, my daughter, and interestingly you say that there are two or three things I have wanted to say to my daughter. That I felt her a little irked by, like, I don’t need you to tell me with my kids or whatever.

But I noticed today, I didn’t tell her I just did it. And I, she looked and she saw it, and she saw how it affected her child who could go two, and, and she, so it was an interesting life principal. [00:29:00] Mm-hmm. I just huddled it. 

Melissa: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. They, they watch everything. They pick up everything. This is my classroom.

This is my personal development every day. This is where I get to embody everything I have read and learned along the way. Like this is my schooling right here. 

Marianne: The course of Miracle says that for every person, there is a highly individualized curriculum. Everything that happens in our lives, as you were pointing out, is the perfect lesson.

Every situation, every circumstance, invites you to show up fully present. Holding space with grace for the maximal soul growth opportunity for all involved. But it will also tempt you to fall back into old ego default positions. And it is every moment. And if we’ve meditated or prayed in the morning, you know, like, okay, like let’s say right now we have [00:30:00] goodwill for one another, we’re here with Goodwill.

So it’s not that hard, but life throws curve balls at us in the form of circumstances where it might not be so easy. But if we pray and meditate in the morning, it sure is easier to stay on that sort of wagon. Or at the very least when you fell off and you get right back on. 

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And I know for myself as well, like having two little kids, I’m always thinking three steps ahead. I’m like, okay, cool. Has she got this? Okay, now then I need to make that meal for that. Yep. Okay. Oh, and I need to go to the shop on the way home and with social media and digitally. It’s become so noisy. How can we, because we know the power of presence, like the present moment is where the magic happens.

How can we be more present in our everyday life? 

Marianne: I have not read one single religion or spiritual tradition that does not emphasize the power of the mourning. When you first wake up, as soon as you open your eyes, bless the world because it’s like yoga, you get in the correct position. It’s like your internal muscles.

So your external muscles are so you can move. Your internal muscles is so you can remain non-reactive. So the first thing you do in the [00:33:00] presence of love, that’s the realignment. Bless the world as soon as you wake up in the morning. As soon bless whoever might be next to you. Bless the people you know you’re gonna be with today.

Bless your children. Bless everybody you know you’re gonna be with. Bless everybody you don’t know you’re gonna be with. Bless the day. Ask the spirit of God to be upon the day you are filling. You are just getting those synapses firing and you are creating the space, the mental space mind where there is love, where there is light, there cannot be dark.

Where there is love, there cannot be fear. Fear is simply mental. I energy that we had not proactively surrendered into the hands of of love. Now, whatever your spiritual practices, a lot of people, whether it’s the Bible course in miracles, transcendental meditation, whatever it is, have a book next to you on the on your bedside.

You know, even if it’s just opening it for a moment, the course in Miracle says five minutes in the morning. Is enough to guarantee the [00:34:00] Holy Spirit and Jesus has become one with the Holy Spirit is will be in charge of your thought forms throughout the day. Now the thing about it is, if you wake up in the morning with what you just described, modern life, particularly for a young mother, I mean, I see my daughter, I’m in awe of her for all, you know, gotta do this, gotta that.

Elizabeth over here, Victoria’s over here, I gotta pick up. It’s amazing. I, I appreciate the incredible job you are doing. But if you wake up in the morning and you go directly to the news, to social media, to any of that, it is as though you were saying, eat me alive. Eat me alive. Come on assault my nervous system.

Have at it. And then you’re like shocked that you’re depressed by noon. No, you’ve got to, when you say practice, there’s nothing more important than giving yourself the morning. And I also wanna say something else to you about little children. ’cause I learned this when my daughter was little. I [00:35:00] remember when, early in my career when I would be doing a wedding or we’d be doing a funeral and sometimes people would ask, can I bring my 4-year-old?

Can I bring my 5-year-old? And I learned very early that children have an instinctive, natural sense of reverence. It is a gift to your children. We’re gonna spend our quiet time with God now. They’re like, quiet time. We’re gonna spend really, ’cause we’re with God and we’re hearing all the angels and mommy and you we’re gonna, that’s a gift to your child.

Now obviously this is not gonna work a hundred percent of the time, but to develop that spiritual life, okay, come on, we’re gonna go and we’re gonna be alone with God. God’s here. God’s here. And it’s amazing. Their nervous systems want it too. 

Melissa: So I go to bed early so that I can wake up early [00:36:00] so that I can meditate and pray.

And sometimes I journal. I don’t journal every morning, but, and then I’ll listen to something like, at the moment I’m doing a lot of Kabbalah study, so I get that time before my daughter wakes up. And I tell you what, if I don’t have that time, I feel the difference. 

Marianne: Your nervous system is not aligned. And it’s just like, in yoga, it’s internal yoga.

And so your energies are, you wanna be grounded. Mm-hmm. 

Melissa: So what I’ve been doing is like, ’cause you know, she would wake up and then she would, if I slept a little bit longer and then she woke up. I was noticing, I was feeling like a bit angry and resentful that I didn’t get that time. For myself. And so then what we would do is my husband and I would, we’d just have to tag team, you know, I’d go and meditate whilst he’s doing breakfast.

And, you know, it’s not the, it’s not the ideal time, but you know, it’s just, it’s what you gotta do when you’ve [00:37:00] got little kids. But I tell you that I feel the difference in my cells, in my spirit, in my nervous system when I don’t take that 20 minutes to meditate and to pray and to do some sort of spiritual alignment study.

I feel so different. And then I’m like, okay, then I can open up to the world. But like before that, I need that time for me. And it’s so interesting because she doesn’t often see me meditating because I do it before she wakes up. But Nick will go and meditate and she’ll be like, where’s Papa? And I’ll say, he’s meditating.

We don’t go in there. And we let him have that time so she understands. But what we’ve also started doing like the last couple of weeks is we have quiet time after lunch. So after she has lunch, her little brother goes to sleep and her and I have quiet time and we’ve started listening to guided meditations together, like these beautiful.

Kids [00:38:00] guided meditations on Insight timer. I’ve got a lot of my meditations on Insight Timer as well. And so I just was like, I’m gonna find some really beautiful kids ones. And there’s a couple of great ones, like 10 minutes. And now she asks to do it. She says, let’s go meditate mummy and do kids yoga. We sometimes do kids yoga.

And so yesterday she listened to three meditations laying on me whilst I tickled her. And she just laid there. Exactly, 

Marianne: exactly. It’s so beautiful. And then sometimes even you might start as she goes out in the morning, okay, mommy’s meditating, you can come in, but only 

Melissa: Yes. And she sees me journal. And so now she’s got her own journal and she puts it beside her bed.

And it’s so cute. Like you know that Monkey Sea Monkey Dew? I tell you what. So now every morning she will go and like grab her journal, run up to my bed and she goes, let’s journal together, mommy. [00:39:00] And she’s so cute. And like she just draws pictures and she’s like, let’s journal before bed and write down you write down what you’re grateful for.

’cause that’s what I say, what I do. It’s so cute. It’s so precious. It’s so beautiful. I love it. Okay, so yes, we need to honor our practice. Make it a priority. Absolutely. And the word disciple 

Marianne: and the word discipline come from the same root. The course in Miracle says you achieve so little because you have undisciplined minds.

And it also says you are far too tolerant of mind wandering. And that’s why setting that. Setting an intention. It’s setting your mind at one with God in the morning. I am here to bless the world. The chances are greatly diminished that you’re gonna blame the world today. Greatly diminished that you’re gonna go into victim thinking or whatever.

Today we call it. You know, so many people say, I have an anxiety disorder. Melissa, the [00:40:00] world has an anxiety disorder. 

Melissa: What about depression? There’s so much depression as well. You know, suicide is on the rise. Depression, anxiety. 

Marianne: The course in Miracles would say that the fact that this, this mindset that dominates the world and has for so long based on fear, that’s why we’re living at an evolutionary inflection point on the planet.

We were all taught when we were children that. A species gets to the point where if it’s collective behavioral patterns are not well adapted for the survival of the species, then one or another thing is going to happen. Either there will be a mutation, some member of the species that demonstrates another way, a better way, and enough critical mass of the species will mimic that, that it will evolve in another direction.

If it does not, the species could go extinct. [00:41:00] Humanity is now at such a point. Our, our collective thought patterns and behavioral patterns are literally unsustainable. We fight too much. We are violent towards ourselves. We are violent towards the planet, we are violent towards each other, and so regardless of the form, depression is the course of miracles, say a natural result.

Of the thinking that is so embedded in an over-identification with the material world, that spiritual understanding and experience has been so peripheralized and our souls are, are crying out for home and this world is not home. The course in Miracle says there’s no one on this planet who does not on some level feel [00:42:00] like an alien here because you are.

And until you discover the home that is our real home, which is our love for one another, our love for higher power, our love for the universe, we live in this state of feeling separated and disconnected and that’s depressing. 

Melissa: I love to hear now about your book, midlife. I have not read this one. I wanna hear about it.

Tell us, dive deep into what it’s about and what inspired you to write this one. 

Marianne: Well, when I was 50, ’cause I took turning 50 very hard and it surprised me how hard I took it because what, what came up for me turning 50 was your youth is irrevocably over until the day you turn 50. You’re still saying to yourself, well, well I’m still young, not at 50.

You can’t say that to yourself anymore. I took it very hard and so I wrote a book at that point, you know, I’d written a book called A Woman’s Worth when I turned 40, and then at 50, you know, you enter a new decade, [00:43:00] big stuff happens in your head and in some cases in your body. So I wrote this book when I turned 50 and then last year I thought.

It just began with not liking the cover, wanting a new cover. And then when I looked at the book, I thought there’s some very old fashioned what seem now very old fashioned references in the book. So it’s now been rewritten and revised, and it’s called Midlife Awakening, creating a Miraculous Next chapter.

I think of menopause as a kind of second puberty centuries ago, if a woman had gone past her childbearing years, her life expectancy, that was about the time of her life expectancy, because in terms of the evolution of nature, she’d done what she came to do. We now live a very different, different life, and yet the landscape, the frontier in front of us is very uncharted and [00:44:00] certainly left to be created as per our own design.

Now, in a way that wasn’t true for our grandmothers, let’s say. So what are the, you know, everybody, you can go on the internet at any time. And see everything you could possibly need to know about supplements, about chia seeds, about vitamin D three, about exercise, everything about our bodies, which is, there’s important information there.

I’m not saying there’s not, but people are pretty hip at the fact that as we age, we have to attend to changes in the body and longevity, and everybody’s talking about Alzheimer’s and dementia. We all know that stuff. But there are many other dimensions, the emotional dimensions of aging, the psychological dimensions, the spiritual dimensions.

And I think particularly, not only, but particularly for women, midlife, you know, when we’re young, you put on a pair of jeans, you put on a t-shirt, you roll out a bed. That’s all you have to do to be hot and happening. Because nature is investing, it is invested for its own purposes. And a man wanting [00:45:00] to have sex with you in order to procreate, once you get to a certain age, nature couldn’t care less.

You know, you’re on your own. So there are many, many issues that we’re going through internally. And so I wrote this book to make that inquiry and talk about the age of the spirit, how that affects the body, how that affects us emotionally and, and psychologically in such a way that we can look at chapter three as at least as good, if not better, than any other chapter.

Melissa: Beautiful. I love that so much. Oh, that’s going to be so supportive for so many women. All your books are so supportive, they’re incredible, and I’ll link to all of them in the show notes so that everyone can dive deep. What book would you recommend people start with if you had to just choose one? 

Marianne: Well, I think it’s what you said.

I think Return to Love is sort of the starting point because Return to Love is my reflections on the [00:46:00] principles of a Course in Miracles and everything I write is. It comes from my understanding of a course in Miracles just applied to this area or that area. So I think a return to love is, would be the starting point.

But if somebody picks up another one and it feels like that’s for me, then you know, that’s great too. 

Melissa: Yeah. It’s such a game changer. It’s so beautiful. If you had a magic wand and you could put one book in the school curriculum presuming a Return to love is already in the curriculum because it absolutely should be.

What is one other book you would choose from somebody else? It would be a 

Marianne: history book. Our kids aren’t learning history. I don’t know how it is in in Australia, but in the United States, we are going through some terrible things that could not possibly have occurred if more young people had been brought up with a greater knowledge of the history of our country and the history of the world.

Really, it’s difficult to be a conscious citizen without an intelligent understanding of how we got here. [00:47:00] So. That would be my wish. That, and I, like I said, I don’t know how it is in Australia, but in America, we, our kids need to understand history. If you don’t learn from history, you’re doomed to repeat it.

And we are repeating some things that 20 years ago we would’ve thought impossible to see in the modern world. 

Melissa: Yeah. That saying history repeats itself 

Marianne: unless we learn. 

Melissa: Yes, absolutely. Yeah. You’ve spoken about how meditation, that morning practice is so potent. I’d love to hear any other rituals that you have throughout your day that really help you anchor you and connect you to spirit?

Marianne: Well, first of all, we all know these days that in order to show up for this moment, we, we’ve gotta all outgrow immature and in moderate. Practices regarding food, regarding drugs, regarding alcohol, [00:48:00] regarding exercise. I mean, we all understand this. I think that as we were saying before, you practice in the morning and then as you go through the day, every situation, how did I do?

Monitor yourself. And also there’s that line, I don’t know who first said it. Tell the truth. As soon as you know it, if you got something wrong, email that person. Call that person. Say, I, I didn’t mean to sound like such and such. I think I might’ve miscommunicated. Please know how much I appreciate you. And if that sounded Kurt or whatever you, you just monitor as you go along.

Because once you realize that’s the only thing ever going on in a situation, then you monitor yourself and you. You are asking you to go along in terms of the, the larger rituals, one of the things I talk about in midlife awakening is the ritual of midlife and the, the elder, the ceremony of the elder, I call it in my book Illuminata.

And that I also talk about in midlife awakening. You know, [00:49:00] there’s a story that I think I told in that book that somebody had given me a very, very good bottle of champagne. I dunno if it was do per something. It was a very high-end bottle of champagne, and I put it in my refrigerator because I was waiting for a special event to celebrate and somebody came over, blah, blah, blah, and they stole the bottle of champagne.

And I realized the lesson there, you waited too long. So the ritual celebrated. Celebrate them on any given day, and I don’t need to tell you with little children when you have children, celebrate that everybody’s healthy today. Celebrate. Thank you God. We’re celebrating, keeping a marriage alive. We’re celebrating.

There’s nothing special. What’s special? Nothing. We’re in love. We have kids. We love each other. You know what I’m saying? Celebrate the ritual. The most important ritual is showing up for life. It could be sitting down in your own apartment [00:50:00] finally putting that, that that picture which you’ve been, has been sitting on the wall, hang it.

Anything that honors your life and honors the life of those around you. That’s the most important ritual of all. Make your life a ritual of celebration and joy and a lot of other energies that would love to get in there, otherwise won’t have space. 

Melissa: Mm-hmm. I love that reminder. So beautiful. Like ritualize your life.

You know, for me, this one thing has shifted so much since I had children and it’s just brought so much joy to my life. And that is placing a tablecloth on the table. Place mats, and this is like a linen tablecloth that I tie dyed myself. This is no fancy tablecloth. I’m not talking about an expensive tablecloth here.

I’m talking about stained with wild blueberry [00:51:00] place mats. It doesn’t matter for me. It is the ritual of laying that tablecloth, putting the four place mats there, putting a beeswax candle that my daughter and I made, and lighting that is like one of my favorite things to do in the day 

Marianne: when I grew up.

Every night was that and there was candles on the table every night. My starting really with my generation, we started oversizing everything. My mother would never have been slumped in exercise clothes when my father came home, and then I went to a period of thinking that was retro. No, I don’t think it’s retro now.

She really held the space. You know, you’ve been studying the Kabbalah and I mentioned I’m Jewish. When I was a young woman, I said to my mother, oh mommy, don’t you get what a patriarchal religion Judaism is? She said, what are you talking about? I said, well, okay, mommy. Like let’s be [00:52:00] honest with her. I says, what is your role?

What is your role of a woman in Judaism Mommy, to take care of the house and to light the Sabbath candles and my mother’s face completely changed. She said, that’s how little you know. That’s how little you understand that. You think that’s a lesser role. Mm. Ho goosebumps. And she wasn’t saying don’t go out and do great things in the world.

But she’s saying because that’s part of what happened with feminism. There was a one foe strain of feminism that suppress the feminine in, in, in, in order to be feminist. And I certainly consider myself a feminist, but I don’t think it’s retro. Now to say, when you’re doing that at your table, your little 4-year-old is learning and seeing and participating as your mother did, as she will do with her children.

What greater ritual than to make a space for dinner for the [00:53:00] family when you see what’s happening in families today? These are the rituals that tie it all together. Yeah, and like you said, ones are watching four years old, they’re watching everything. The stuff that you, you know, the Jesuits used to say, give me a child before he is five.

In his mind, anything that you get into that little head before five, after that, you husband and still be the primary influences. But you won’t be the only ones and it won’t. Right now, like you said, every little thing, including that she’ll say, she will say to her children someday, my mother had this tie dyed tablecloth and this little bees wife candle.

Dinner time was the ritual. And today, so many people, everybody’s on their tablet, the kids are coming. What could be a more profound ritual than a dinner in which everyone reconnects? 

Melissa: Mm. Yes. We have no TV in our house, which is another thing [00:54:00] that I absolutely love and. That simple ritual. And we always say this beautiful prayer, well, we sing this prayer together every night and we light the candle and we’ve been practicing Shabbat, which we absolutely love.

And I’m reading Karen Berg’s book, God Wears Lipstick at the moment. Have you read it? 

Marianne: Not that book, but I certainly know the Kabbalah and I’ve studied Kabbalah and I knew Karen. Yeah. 

Melissa: Yeah. It’s an incredible book. I’m reading the section in the book where she’s talking about the importance of the woman’s role in the home, like the energy that we carry, like we are the heartbeat of the home.

We dictate the energy in these walls and it’s such a privilege to hold that role. And you know, there’s times where I am tired and I’m like. [00:55:00] I don’t wanna be the only one responsible for the energy in this home, but like most of the time I’m like, what an honor that I get to be the compass for this beautiful home, for these two beautiful children and for my husband.

And it’s not something that I take lightly 

Marianne: because don’t forget, the Kabbalah is the mystical core of Judaism. I find it really weird the way people don’t conveniently like to like leave that out sometimes these days. So I like to mention it. 

Melissa: Yes, absolutely. This has been so beautiful. I’m so grateful. I have three rapid fire questions for you now.

What is one thing that we can do today for more health in our life? Do you have or follow a specific way or are you just kind of open to whatever feels good for you? 

Marianne: No, none of this like, oh, I, I just breathe, you know, I just closed my eyes. No. There are specific paths which will always include some [00:56:00] form of what could be called a mantra.

Now I’m a student of a Course Miracles, so I do the workbook of the course every day, which is 365 days of daily lessons. That dismantle a thought system based on fear and, and, and substitute for that, a thought system based on love. But I also do transcendental meditation. I don’t do transcendental meditation every day, but I know from experience how powerful both of those are.

But there are many different forms, and if somebody’s listening right now and they say, that sounds right, but I don’t know what it would be, books will fall at your feet if you just have that little prayer in your heart. 

Melissa: Transcendental meditation has been an absolute game changer for me. I learned 15 years ago, and it has been profound.

I practiced every day, 20 minutes, twice a day religiously, and I love it. However, since having my almost 1-year-old, I do not always get in my second meditation, but I always get in that first one. [00:57:00] 

Marianne: In terms of what you were talking about before and holding in the house and all your responsibilities, I call it goddess time.

It takes 30 minutes. For the corpus callosum, the shift between the right and the left side of the brain to shift from that masculine dominant to the feminine dominant. So just as it’s so important in the morning for you to have that late afternoon or early evening time is also extremely important in your HU husband.

Hopefully could help you with that maybe or whatever. 

Melissa: Yeah, I know when I do get it in completely different, I feel like a completely different woman. So yeah, we sometimes tag team, but it doesn’t always happen and I know, I know the difference. So I love that you mentioned that and it’s changed my life and been such a anchor for me over the past 15 years.

Alright, next rapid fire, although there’s still really rapid fire. What’s one thing that we can do for more wealth [00:58:00] in our life? So more abundance in all areas of our life? 

Marianne: Give up the thoughts that you have. The judgments you have of people I know from myself, I used to have a lot of judgment of people who did have things that I knew I wanted, but I was keeping those things at bay by my judgment.

And I came to understand it’s not the individuals, Maryanne, it’s the systems. You were right to see some economic systems as inherently unfair, et cetera. But as far as that individual is concerned, you don’t know where their head or their consciousness is or what they do with money. So always look to your mind, where am I judging something, judging someone, making in my mind, even in your thoughts, it’s not just in your behavior, it’s in your thoughts.

Where are you not allowing yourself to celebrate the abundance of others? 

Melissa: Goosebumps. And that’s coming ultimately from a lack from fear. [00:59:00] Because if you could celebrate everybody, that’s only going to. Make you a magnet for more. 

Marianne: Absolutely. Absolutely. You were talking about Jews and Christians, you know, if you weren’t born with the idea that that wealth is, is unholy, but rather that it’s a gift from God, like everything else, it just comes more quickly.

’cause it’s not being stopped by thoughts of shame and this is wrong or this is bad. 

Melissa: Yeah, exactly. 

Marianne: I 

Melissa: love in Kabbalah they say desire everything but need nothing. 

Marianne: Oh, that’s beautiful. 

Melissa: Oh, I love that. The creator of God, universe, whatever, they want you to have everything you desire, everything your heart desires, but walk out of your house and need nothing.

Marianne: You are already whole and then it all comes by the way, need is not Is is an a repellent [01:00:00] desire is an attractor. And to the universe. 10 zeros is no different than two zeros. I mean, it’s infinitely malleable, just according to your thoughts. But there’s one other thing about wealth that I saw in my own life.

It’s not just about attracting it, it’s respecting its power when it comes. I think that’s a big one too. 

Melissa: What does that mean? What does that look like? What does that mean? 

Marianne: It means that it is, you know, sometimes, especially for women who were not taught financial literacy, like when my first book came out, you were talking about Return to Love.

Oprah. Oprah Winfrey gave, just opened up such a space for me and I had this huge bestseller and I had never made money before. I was so excited that I could pay my rent, and all of a sudden, and I was living in Los Angeles and there seemed to be, at least at that time, this unspoken rule. You have the money, you buy a house.

So all my friends, well, you gotta buy a house. Gotta a house. [01:01:00] In my meditations I got. Do nothing for six months. And I, and at that time I was advanced enough to hear it, but not advanced enough to say, I’m gonna listen and act on this. And I got, this is what I got very clear on my meditation. If you want to redecorate your apartment, you can spend six months.

And I realized now it would’ve been six months, learn about money, read books, learn about this, treat this very seriously. And I was LADA because I hadn’t, so I, I now realize that I didn’t respect enough that this was a very serious subject, actually. 

Melissa: Yeah, absolutely. And I feel like we’ve gotta look at our relationship with money.

We’ve gotta look at the stories that we have inherited. We’ve gotta look at. Our relationship with it. Unpack that. Where did those stories come from? And really come back to the heart. 

Marianne: Does it really matter? Does it really [01:02:00] matter? Does it really matter? I think that our, that the higher consciousness movement is sometimes overly focused on where it came from.

It doesn’t matter where it came from, it’s yours now. Might have come from your mother, might have come from your father. It’s yours now. And that’s why the spiritual perspective is different than unpacking it. It’s, God, please take this away. God, I admit that I have this, this is a, is a place where I play small.

It’s a place where I judge. It is a place where I constrict, and I, I, I, if I could, if I could fix this by myself, I would have, by now, I need a miracle. Dear God, please help me. I am willing to see this differently. And then all kinds of things happen. Like you start finding yourself in the presence of people who manifest or demonstrate or behave in ways that you don’t ’cause they had a different childhood.

And you start seeing, I can emulate that. So the healing is in the present, not in the past. [01:03:00] And I think that the idea that you of miracles is the idea that there is a power in the universe. And that’s certainly in the kabbala. It’s the electricity of the covenant. It’s like, get those synapses going. It’s not back there.

The past is in your mind. It’s in the present. Show me right now. Show me how to think about it now. Not just figuring out how I used to think about it, because I’ve seen in my own life, I mean I could, I’ve been in therapy so much, I can tell you, you know, blah blah, and it, and what I saw in my own life was just knowing where I got it.

Did not of itself made me change, make me change. What made me change was owning the personality characteristics that I had developed because of that story. Dear God, help me be a different woman. Yeah, that was the only value. Seeing the past. God doesn’t need time to unpack something.

I mean, I’m not saying there’s not a human [01:04:00] process, but which change unfolds, but we can get stuck sometimes endlessly. 

Melissa: I’m working on it. Great point. And in that moment of you just saying, help me be more like you, God. Yeah. That’s it. That’s it. When it comes to money, when it comes to generosity, when it comes to this, help me be more like you.

Marianne: The chorus of miracle says You, the purpose of your life is to learn to think as God thinks and love as God loves, and I think God. There’s infinite abundance for everyone. Infinite abundance for everyone. 

Melissa: Yeah, absolutely. This has been so beautiful. I could talk to you for like another five hours. I just love this conversation so much.

Well after another 600 and whatever. Yes, you’re always welcome on the show. Come back again. Anytime. Is there anything else that you wanna share or any last parting words [01:05:00] of wisdom? 

Marianne: No, I don’t think it’s a parting word of wisdom, but I am looking forward to being in Australia. Again, I don’t know if this podcast might be after or whatever, but I, I just think that we need to call each other into our most powerful right now in a very meaningful way, not only in terms of our own lives, not only in terms of our own families, but in terms of the world.

And I think that’s the sort of next evolutionary step for the higher consciousness movement. Just that tweak of like, yeah, we’re responsible for this whole thing. There’s great power that will emerge from that, I think. 

Melissa: And I’m gonna link to your Australia tour dates. You’ve got Brisbane on the 22nd of February, Melbourne on the 25th of February, and Sydney on the 26th.

I will be at Brisbane. I’m so excited to see you there. I wanna encourage everybody if you have the opportunity to see, oh my gosh, Marianne, I just remembered I saw you in la. You know how you [01:06:00] used to do the weekly talks in LA like 14 years ago? I came to one of those with my friend, and you were spectacular.

You were channeling, you were amazing. So if you ever have the opportunity to see Maryanne in real life. Go, go, go, go read her books, get in the room with her because you bring something so magical to the room and I’m so excited to see you in February in Brisbane. I’m just so excited for that. 

Marianne: Thank you so much.

I so appreciate it, honey. I look forward to it. 

Melissa: And before we go, last question. How can I and the listeners give back and serve you today? You are helping, you are serving, you are inspiring so many people. How can we give back to you? 

Marianne: Oh, thank you. We we’re all just passing it along. People can go to maryanne.com, find out if there’s anything there that’s of interest.

I have a substack be loving to somebody and it, it blesses me and blesses all of [01:07:00] us, you know. Thank you though. Thank you. 

Melissa: Thank you for being here. Thank you for all your wisdom and I will see you very soon. Much love you.

I hope you got so much out of this episode. I hope you are going to embody the things that we spoke about and really live it in your everyday life. And if you loved this conversation, please follow the show and leave me a review on Apple Podcasts. If you haven’t already, please take the time to do that now.

It would mean the absolute world to me. And when you do, send a screenshot of the review to hello@melissaabrini.com and I will send you my wildly wealthy guided meditation as a thank you for taking the time to leave that review. Now, jump on over to Instagram at Melissa Abrini and tell me what you got from this episode.

I love connecting with you and I love hearing what your biggest key takeaways are. And before I go, I just wanted to say thank you [01:08:00] so much for being here, for wanting to be the best, the healthiest, and the happiest version of yourself, and for showing up today for you, you rock. Now, if there’s someone in your life that you can think of that would really benefit from this episode, please share it with them right now.

You can take a screenshot, share it on your social media, email it to them, text it to them, do whatever you’ve got to do to get this in their ears. And until next time, don’t forget that love is sexy. Healthy is liberating, and wealthy isn’t a dirty word.

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