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Do you ever feel like your relationship has gone stale, and you’re unsure if you’ll ever reignite the spark? 

Are you curious about the roles of masculine and feminine energies in creating lasting attraction and chemistry?

Or maybe you’re keen to become a better communicator so you can resolve arguments and conflicts with more love and understanding?

To explore these questions, I’m joined by John Wineland, a renowned teacher in the realms of spiritual intimacy, leadership, and embodied masculinity. 

Press play to learn: the most common pitfalls that lead to breakups and how to avoid them, creative ways to rekindle your sexual connection when you’ve been together for a long time, how to strike a healthy balance between masculine and feminine energies within yourself, strategies for moving past childhood wounds, how to repair conflicts with compassion, and the surprising truth about who should take the first step in the bedroom.

So if you’d love to rekindle your flame with your partner, feel more aligned than ever, and step back into the honeymoon phase, then press play now… this episode is for you!

About John Wineland

John Wineland is an author, podcast host, teacher and speaker who has been guiding both men and women in the realms of life purpose, relational communication, spiritual/sacred intimacy, sexual polarity and embodiment. 

John brings a multi-faceted approach, which is both energetic and highly practical, to his workshops and experiential coaching sessions. John’s embodiment-driven teaching draws from not only over 30 years experience of his own Buddhist meditative practice, but from 13 years of intensive study and practice in Yogic Intimacy. Drawing from the deep lineages of Vajrayana, Tantra, Kundalini yoga, Taoist and Iron Shirt Qigong traditions, John seeks to create a profound experience for men and women longing to express their deepest desires with open, fierce and loving hearts.

In this episode we chat about:

• Why the “Good Husband” myth might be holding you back (03:33)
• The hidden factors that cause relationships to fall apart (06:37)
• How to rekindle your sexual connection even after a decade together (14:22)
• Cool alternatives to date nights that build deep, authentic intimacy with your partner (18:08)
• How enhancing your communication skills can help you master the “Art of Repair” (24:30)
• How to achieve an ideal balance of masculine and feminine energies in your life (31:42)
• Powerful techniques to heal from childhood wounds and resolve conflicts (37:05)
• Is it always up to the man to lead in intimacy? Here’s what you need to know (40:09)

Episode resources:

• SheLaunch (join here)
• Mastering Your Mean Girl by Melissa Ambrosini (book)
• Open Wide by Melissa Ambrosini (book)
• Comparisonitis by Melissa Ambrosini (book)
• Time Magic by Melissa Ambrosini and Nick Broadhurst (book)
• From the Core by John Wineland (book)
• John Wineland (Instagram)
• The Embodied Relationship Experience (website)
• Dear Lover: A Woman’s Guide To Men, Sex, And Love’s Deepest Bliss by David Deida (book)
• The Way of the Superior Man: A Spiritual Guide to Mastering the Challenges of Women, Work, and Sexual Desire by David Deida (book)
• Breath: The New Science of a Lost Art by James Nestor (book)
• Fierce Intimacy by Terry Real (audiobook)
• How To Complain Effectively (And Get What You Want) (video)

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Melissa: [00:00:00] In episode 609 with relationship expert John Wineland, we are talking all about how to be a better partner, the importance of the masculine and feminine energies, sexual polarity, how to keep the spark alive in a long term relationship or after having kids, how to be a better communicator, plus so much more.

You are going to want to take notes for this one. Welcome to the Melissa Ambrosini show. I’m your host, Melissa, best selling author of Mastering Your Mean Girl, Open Wide, Comparisonitis, and Time Magic. And I’m here to remind you that love is sexy, healthy is liberating, and wealthy isn’t a dirty word. Each week I’ll be getting up close and personal with thought leaders from around the As well as your weekly dose of motivation so that you can You can create epic change in your own life and become the best version of yourself possible.[00:01:00] 

Are you ready? Beautiful. Hey, beautiful. Welcome back to the show. I’m so excited for this episode because I absolutely love learning and hearing about different ways that I can be a better partner. I am a student for life and I am always open. and willing to learn and grow in this area. Because relationships, and I’m not just talking about our romantic relationship, but relationships in general, are one of our greatest sources of joy in our life.

And the more that we learn and grow and evolve in them, The better, the deeper, the more meaningful they are going to be. So I am so excited to have relationship guru, John Weinlein on the show today. Now he is an author, a podcast host, a teacher and speaker who has been guiding both men and women in the realms of life purpose, health, and well being.

Relational communication, spiritual and sacred intimacy, sexual polarity, and embodiment. Now he brings a multifaceted approach, which is both [00:02:00] energetic and highly practical to his workshops and experimental coaching sessions. John’s embodiment driven teachings draw from not only over 30 years experience of his own Buddhist meditative practice, but from 13 years of intensive study and practice in yogic intimacy.

Drawing from deep lineages of Tantra, Kundalini Yoga, Taoism and Qi Gong. Now he seeks to create a profound experience for men and women longing to express their deepest desires with open, fierce and loving hearts. This episode is so beautiful and there were so many amazing reminders for me to Take my relationship to the next level.

So I’m so excited for you guys to dive in and for everything that we mentioned in today’s episode, you can check out in the show notes and that’s over at melissarambrosini. com forward slash six Oh nine. And now without further ado, let’s bring on the incredible John Wineland.[00:03:00] 

John, welcome to the show. I am so excited to have you here. I’ve wanted to have you on the show for a really long time, but before we dive in, can you tell us what you had for breakfast this morning? 

John: Okay. I had two eggs over easy, ground beef and vegetables. 

Melissa: Yeah. I love asking this question because everyone is so different and it highlights how different everyone is and there’s no right or wrong.

It’s just like. What feels good for you. And I just love that. So thank you for sharing. Now, like I said, I have been following you for a really long time. I love your work, but I want to know, like, how did you get into this work? Like, have you always done this? Take us back to your origin story and how this all unfolded for you.

John: Yeah. Well, like most people, I was my own sort of first client. I came to this work in 2007. I do two sort of things. I teach men’s work and I also teach [00:04:00] sacred intimacy work. And, you know, I came into this basically because I was one of those people who had supposedly everything that you’re meant to have, you know, this, I call this the myth of the good husband, where, you know, I was in a marriage, beautiful wife, lovely person, a daughter, a picket fence, you know, white picket fence, the American dream, all that, I was a leader in my community, and yet I was miserable, and my marriage was failing.

And I came from a household where there was sort of a series of failed marriages. And I, I realized that I, I missed something, right? Some, some manual of how to be happy in love, you know, got skipped over. And about the same time, I found the work of David Data, who became my teacher for 15 years. And I stumbled into one of his workshops in 2008 and was just like, like, wow, I didn’t, I didn’t even know this was possible, both in men’s work.

Cause I’d been part of men’s groups [00:05:00] before, but his version of it was so unique. And then also in the realm of sacred intimacy and sexual polarity. And so I just was like, I’m following you everywhere. And so I just did that for many years. And then I started to assist and then I ended up co teaching with David for a few years.

And then I opened up my own practice, let’s say probably around 2014, 15, and have been, you know, teaching in my own flavors ever since. 

Melissa: Wow, that’s amazing. Interesting story for you. I started on my like spiritual personal development journey in 2010 and that happened from ending up in hospital and my life completely changing from there.

And so I started reading a lot of personal development books around that time. And then just before I met my husband, which was in 2013, six months before I was reading dear lover and the way of the superior man by David Dieter. And he was reading the way of the superior men at [00:06:00] the exact same time, six months before we met, and then we met.

And we got together and he proposed to me after two weeks, we got married five and a half months later and we’ve been married for over 10 years now. And his work is so amazing and like it was so pivotal, like especially that book for me, Dear Lover, was such a pivotal book for me. It opened my eyes and the way of the superior man too.

And that’s, you know, a book that my husband recommends to so many different men. So I love that he was such a pivotal part in your journey and same with me. Okay, so now you’ve taken this work and you’ve added your own flavor to it. What are the biggest things that you see when it comes to relationships falling apart?

John: Well, okay, so I tend to talk about, I’m writing a second book. The first book I wrote was on men’s work and my version of that. The second book is called The Art of Sacred Intimacy. [00:07:00] And in that, I talk about three pillars. That I believe are crucial for today’s relationship and are crucial for sacred intimacy.

So the first pillar is intimacy, meaning there’s a sameness, there’s a recognition of sameness. You know, I’m human, you’re human. I have a heart, you have a heart. You know, I get afraid, you get afraid, etc, etc. But it’s also sort of a soul recognition. Eye gazing being the, you know, the classic intimacy practice.

But it’s also about feeling removal of separation between us. That’s intimacy. And that’s a very specific set of practices. And then the second pillar is what I would call devotion to love above all else, right? And that second pillar involves us being devotional to, to the field of love above being right, being triggered, you know, having something that we’re working through, all of those things that are very, very tricky for people.

That’s usually where the rubber meets the road is that’s where people [00:08:00] get in very deep conflict and stay in conflict. That’s where the power struggle happens. And so in the second pillar, it’s all about learning how to be devotional to your partner’s nervous system. And be devotional to the liberation of love above all of the things that get in the way of that.

And then the third pillar is David’s classic sexual polarity. This ability to not be the same, but to be different. So different that an arc of energy gets created. And that’s where you have this really beautiful, deep attraction and magnetism, let’s call it. And so those three pillars, when they’re all full and strong, relationships tend to be in really beautiful shape.

When they are not, when one or another is, you know, sort of cracked or crumbling, you know, the temple of love, you know, suffers and often will crumble. So, When I’m working with couples, it’s usually what usually happens. I mean, and this is not for everybody, but they’re very [00:09:00] intimate. They’re friends. They are, you know, they trust each other.

They feel safe with each other, but there’s no sexual polarity. Or, there’s sexual polarity and intimacy, but there’s very little trust in the relationship. They can’t resolve conflict, they end up triggering each other really badly, they, they, you know, they touch each other’s childhood wounds, and that, that’s the second pillar of devotion to love.

And so, when that’s missing, you have people who tend to have really beautiful sex, but like are, you know, throwing things at each other. And so those are the things that I normally see in a relationship, something along one of those pillars is cracked or broken or missing in the relationship. 

Melissa: And do you feel like they can all be mended and healed and moved on and a beautiful relationship from that place?

John: Yeah, that’s what I’ve seen. You know, they’re different skill sets. The skill set of repair, right? So repair is this idea of like, hey, we’re going to have ruptures, we’re going to have blow ups, we’re going to have conflicts. [00:10:00] But we’re devotional to love enough that we’re going to create space to honor each other’s experience of what’s been happening in the relationship.

And that piece of honoring the other’s experience is what I find the most challenging thing for most couples. That, that it’s very easy to, Be so wrapped up in your own experience of what’s happening that you can’t put that aside for a few moments and actually put the other person’s experience ahead.

Terry real has done a lot of really beautiful work on this. His, his book, fierce intimacy is really lovely. But this idea of being able to both repair past ruptures and also to really be devotional to the other person’s nervous system, those are things that’s a different skill set than sexual polarity.

Sexual polarity is relatively easy when you actually learn how to do it. It takes a minute, two minutes, three minutes to actually turn that spark on. But the really hard work is [00:11:00] learning the skills of repair, training our nervous systems to be able to hold other people’s upset, to hold other people’s truths.

That takes a little bit more time, but yes, it’s absolutely doable. And the intimacy piece is also very easy to repair. So it’s, it’s less that people can’t. It’s more that we’ve never really been taught. I mean, it’s just now that this is actually evolved as a, let’s call it an artful practice or a yogic practice.

The practice of relationship has evolved past. We’re just together to make kids or we’re together to support each other because we need each other to survive. You think about it for 98, 99 percent of human history. We came together for survival reasons. We needed to procreate and we needed to survive.

And that over the last 50, 60 years, it’s only the first time that’s really changed. So we’re in this whole new paradigm of why are we in [00:12:00] relationship at all? And we don’t need each other the way that we have. before. 

Melissa: Yes. Yeah. I wish we were taught this in schools. It would be so different. And I really feel like we are.

That’s why we have so many unregulated nervous systems as adults. There’s so many people just walking around completely wired and fried and can’t hold each other’s experiences. And yeah, so I wish we were taught this at a younger age. Like it’s really interesting. I have a daughter, she’s only three and a half, but these are the things I’m going to be teaching her.

Absolutely. I’m going to be teaching her and I’m already modeling it to her. Like when she has a big moment, helping her like regulate her own nervous system and things like that. So I love that you teach this. And what came to me is like, it’s so important that we are willing to do the work in the partnership.

But also do the work on ourselves. It’s an ongoing university. 

John: Yeah. So like one, three, yeah, yeah. I’m in my fifties and still finding things that [00:13:00] I thought I had dealt with, but we’re not taught how to regulate ourselves or how to re how to regulate each other. Right. Which is also a very important skill set.

We’re actually taught the opposite. We’re taught to do things that dysregulate ourselves, you know, especially kids today. We’re taught to scroll and we’re taught to. You know, see outside validation and we’re taught to, you know, chase dopamine. We’re not taught that slowing down our breath, for example, or grounding our bodies or relaxing the front of our bodies.

We’re not taught those skills. And I think probably this generation of children like your daughter. They’re really the first, at least in the Western world, right? In the East, people are, you know, kids were being trained at three. But here, this is really the first time that the first generation of children are being taught embodiment, meditative, yogic.

nervous system regulating practices. And the thing you said that I think is so crucial is that people have to do their own deep [00:14:00] work and also the deep work on the relationship because the two are often separate, right? I have to go back and mine, you know, the wounds of my childhood and transmute them and do my own shadow work, inner child work.

As do you. And then we have to bring those things together and find a way to dance together in that. 

Melissa: Yeah, absolutely. Now I did a poll on my Instagram, told everyone that I was interviewing you and a question that came up a lot for people, and I’d love your thoughts on this is like when it comes to sexual intimacy with our partner, how do we re spark that or keep that alive after 10 or 20 years?

And after children. 

John: Yeah, the good news is it’s not as hard as most people think. You know, when you’re in the reality for years of being roommates, the best metaphor I can think of is think of two magnets. Think of people as magnets. On one end, you have a masculine pole. On the other end, [00:15:00] you have a feminine pole.

Now, this is not gender specific. They can switch. You could have the man who has the feminine pole and the woman who’s in the masculine pole, but Most hetero relationships, the woman is feminine identified, and the man is masculine identified, but not all. And so, If we have these magnets and we’re rubbing these magnets together in sameness, we work together, we live together, we parent together, we’re spending a lot of time together, we’re rubbing these magnets together, charge from those magnets gets diminished.

And then you have resonance, you have comfort, comfort is the word that I use, right? You have comfort, but you have no resonance. The sparks missing. So what you have to do is you have to turn up the power of each individual magnet. That means you have to go into your little practice room and do some movement to get into your body, to feel your heart, to have pleasure in your body, to [00:16:00] activate your feminine essence and energy.

And then I would have to go into another room and kind of get still and grounded and bring breath into my body and sort of deepen my connection to consciousness. So we’re turning up our magnets separately and then we come together and there’s that spark. So most often what I see in couples is they really don’t dedicate the time to both turn up their individual magnets.

Or to bring those turned on magnets to each other in a way that would cause the spark to return. And when they do that, because I’ve seen it, I’ve, well, a couple, I coached for many years at five kids and they’ve been together 20 something years, they both, you know, kind of did their own individual work and then came together and did work together, you know, now they’re together almost 30 years and they have a beautiful thriving marriage, right?

So, it really is the byproduct, like anything, [00:17:00] it’s the byproduct of the intention and the commitment that you bring to it. Most people just do not bring the intention or the commitment to be polarized. When they do, things shift very fast. I see it in my workshops all the time. I see couples. Come together and, you know, they’re kind of in this sort of neutralized space.

And then after a couple of days, they’re just super activated and turned on. And, but we need to work on them for a day or two to unwind the habits of comfort that they’ve kind of, you know, dropped into for the last 10 years. 

Melissa: Yes. So it is possible. 

John: Totally. If you put your mind to it and if you put your, you know, it’s like, uh, David talks about the yoga of sexuality.

Like any yoga, you have to get on the mat. You could read ten, the ten greatest books on yoga ever written. It’s not going to make you a good yogi, because unless you’re on the mat and you’re actually practicing, then it’s almost impossible to overcome the [00:18:00] habits that get developed in a relationship.

Neural pathways that get created in relationship. 

Melissa: Yeah, absolutely. I love this so much. It’s really interesting as well, because, you know, you see all of these memes on social media about couples being intimate in front of their children and like letting your children see you kissing and hugging. And I have to be really honest with you.

Like, sometimes I forget this. I forget to do that in front of my daughter because like, I’m just in the zone. I’m making her food. I’m trying to get her in the bath. I’m just like in the zone. I’m in mom mode. And then he’ll come up to me and like hug me and kiss me. And I’m like, Oh yeah, it’s really important that we model to her, you know, like this stuff.

But literally it’s like, I forget. I genuinely forget. It’s almost like I need a reminder in my phone to do it. So because that is so important. How can we remember? Do you have any little things that we can do? Because I believe it’s very important that she sees us like [00:19:00] that. 

John: Also nourishment for you guys, right?

I mean, it’s very nourishing to come together sexually and really take care of each other. So it’s like a couples that go for years without that, they literally become malnourished in a sense. It’s like there’s some important nutrient that they’re just, they’re missing. Okay. Okay. So I’ll give a couple of practical tips.

The one I love the most is instead of date nights, which is what most couples will do when they want to connect. They’ll go to dinner, they’ll go to a movie, they’ll go out, you know, without the kids, da da da da. Instead of date nights, I say temple nights. So instead of a date night, you actually create a temple night where you come together with the intention of, you know, making love and bringing your best game to it and dressing up and coming, you know, fully embodied with nothing else, no distractions, no technology.

Candles, music, sheepskin, fireplace, you know, the whole, you know, you turn [00:20:00] your room, your bedroom into a temple and then you show up at six or seven and you, you know, love on each other for an hour or two. That is so much more fulfilling than, you know, gang dinner, you know, they’re on their phones half the time at dinner and making temple nights once a week, I think would be a really great suggestion.

And then the other is kind of like you were, what you were talking about, which is to set the intention every day to at least two or three times have a deep, intimate moment. Ellies pressed together, breathing together, looking into each other’s eyes, kissing each other, a little playful spanking, you know, it’s just something that brings the juice.

It can take 30 seconds. You know, it doesn’t have to be a long one, but it just sort of keeps the flow of energy moving so it doesn’t just stop. And for people who aren’t doing that, you can actually feel like their sexual [00:21:00] energy is stopped. They’re kind of neutralized in their bodies. 

Melissa: Yeah, a hundred percent.

This is really inspiring for me. I’m definitely going to work on this for myself and for our relationship. And I love Temple Nights. I really love it. Like, we went, I think, two years after my daughter was born without a date. We were just in it. And we’ve started incorporating dates back into our week or every two weeks.

And we’ve really loved that. And then our evenings are always sacred. Like that’s our time, you know, to massage each other, like have a little massage or something, or get into bed early and just talk. But this is so inspiring because everything you’re saying is free, you know, setting up your bedroom with a couple of beeswax candles or some dim lighting and some music, and all of these things are easy to do.

The hardest part is actually doing it. It’s like, Oh, I’ve got washing to fold. And I’ve got this to do in like this long list of things that [00:22:00] take priority. But, you know, Nick and I always say like, our love is the glue of this family. It is the foundation of our family. When there’s like friction between us, nothing flows, like the whole energy of the family just doesn’t flow as well.

And so that’s why we’re so committed to doing the work on ourselves and doing the work on our relationship. And we’re not perfect. Like I’m not saying we’re perfect or anything like that, but I’m so committed to my marriage and I will do and I will try and I will read anything to make it better and stronger.

John: Yeah, I mean, you could also consider these sort of rituals, love rituals, couples that tend to do really well together. They have a commitment to love rituals and it could be one night he worships you and worships your body and then the next night you worship him and are devotional to his body and his heart and these ideas of ritual dancing for him.

Him [00:23:00] doing a sacred command practice with you. I mean, there’s all kinds of really beautiful ways to, to have these rituals. And I guess people just, you know, they get too caught up in what David would call tasks and duties, what you’re saying. And love, love will suffer, love will shrivel, just like your business would shrivel if you didn’t show up, you know, if you didn’t show up to work, ready to go to work, just like your body would get weak if you didn’t show up to take care of your body, right?

Love is, love requires that kind of commitment as well. 

Melissa: A hundred percent. You know, I’m so devoted to my meditation practice. I’m so devoted to moving my body every single day. I’m devoted to being out in nature. It’s like, I’m devoted to my marriage, but am I actually showing up every day? There’s more that I can do.

Like we said, those little moments of intimacy that take 30 seconds to just, as we’re walking past each other, a little smack on the bum or a hug or a kiss or something like that. These are the things that build that love, and they’re [00:24:00] so easy to do. 

John: Yeah, I like to think of it as liberating love. What can I do in this moment to liberate more love between us?

You know, he’s had a big shit day, and so what can I do to liberate love in his body? Or, you’re worn down from everything that you do, what can I do to liberate love in her body? And it requires a certain commitment to generosity, but as the Gottmans have shown, that’s one of the things that really helps love to flourish.

Melissa: Yeah, beautiful. I love that so much. I want to talk about communication. So in my second book, Open Wide, the subtitle is A Radically Real Guide to Deep Love, Rocking Relationships, and Soulful Sex. And in it, I talk about crystal clear communication and how most relationships, not just intimate relationships, but most relationships, there’s a breakdown when there’s not crystal clear communication.

And I really would love communication skills to be taught in schools. Cause I think there would be so [00:25:00] many less arguments and friction if we knew how to communicate effectively, clearly from our heart space. And what I’ve realized is like 95 percent of the population just don’t know how to communicate, maybe even more.

They just don’t know how to communicate. And this is something I’m always working on as well, but. How can we communicate more clearly, more effectively, to have better relationships? 

John: Well, I think the first thing to realize is that, and we’ve heard this, you know, for a long time, that 90 some odd percent of communication is nonverbal, right?

So if all we want to communicate is I love you and I need dot, dot, dot, dot, or I love you and I want more dot, dot, dot, dot, then the first thing we have to do is realize that is our body saying that? Is our body actually saying, you know, saying that, right? And so again, it comes back to training our own bodies and our own nervous systems to be able to.

As your book [00:26:00] says, like, be open and come to communications open and relaxed. I often will do this practice that I call the wide expanse of love, which I just kind of like imagine my heart like a big, wide blue sky, this wide expanse of love. And I, before difficult conversations, I would have. Five minutes to go do it myself.

And then I reminded myself when, you know, she’s telling me things that are painful, you know, wide expanse of love, wide expanse of love, because I know that my body is saying more than my words will. So I think the first, uh, rule, at least from my bent and, you know, of course I, I teach embodiment, so I’m biased.

But is to really make sure that your body, are you tense? Is your jaw tense? Are you breathing? You know, are you relaxed? Are you grounded? And to really make sure, are you making eye contact or are you looking away? And to really train our nervous systems to stay in the fire of communication means I’m looking into your eyes.

It means [00:27:00] I’m feeling your heart. It means I’m, I’m tracking your breath. I’m tracking your nervous system. The end. I can say things clearly, and when people do that, I always want to encourage them to stay in the eye, right? When you didn’t come home last night when you said you would, I felt, da da da da. I felt hurt, I felt scared, I felt worried for you, I felt unimportant, I felt angry, I felt these things when this thing happened.

Oftentimes what people will do is they’ll wrap the truth in a whole shit ton of story. And the story does nothing but you sort of take away from the truth. So if I was going to put this in stages, you know, the first stage is like really come to the communication with your body open and relaxed and your heart.

Terry Reel says, you know, remember love. This is someone who I love, who loves me, and then go to the deepest truth in the shortest [00:28:00] amount of sentences possible. And I know this is hard for feminine beings, but, but it really helps when you can say in two or three sentences, like, I resent. When you yell at me in front of the kids, period, you’re this, or you’re a that, or you always do this, or you did that last week and dah, dah, dah, dah.

It’s more of a, here’s my experience. I’m sharing my experience with you in a fairly short and easy way. And I want to ask you to, to look at that and really fix it. And here’s how it makes me feel when you do. I mean, you can add a few things there. You don’t just have to be mute. But you’re not wound dumping.

It takes practice. It’s like, it really is an art. It really is. Conscious communication is an art. Repair communication is an art. Intentional listening is an art. Empathetic reflection is an art. And these are all arts that we can, you know, that we could and I believe should learn in the field of relationship.

Melissa: Yeah, [00:29:00] 100%. And you learn them. You embody them. And share it with your partner. And hopefully they embody them too. And that will ripple out into all of your relationships. It’s so powerful. And it’s something that I just constantly see. And I witnessed these relationships falling apart in different friendships and family dynamics and people coming to me and telling me, and it’s literally at the core of it is ineffective communication skills and miscommunication.

They thought they said this and did it. When, if they had just come and spoken from their heart clearly and shared, then it would have been such a different experience. 

John: What I see is couples project, I think you’re thinking something about me and I will tell you what you’re thinking or, you know, I will project my belief of where you’re at or what you’re thinking or what you’re feeling onto you.

And so yes, it’s less sexy than the sexual polarity work or the eye [00:30:00] gazing, but you’re right. It’s where the rubber meets the road and it is where most couples lose it. And the way that I like to think about this is if you think about conflict in a relationship, it’s just energy, right? So you’re, you know, you know, you’re going through the week, he’s doing his thing, you’re doing it.

Energy is kind of building up between you two. Right, and if there’s conflict and stress and da da da, and then there’s a, then there’s a fight. It’s just energy that’s wanting to move. Communication is the container for that energy. When fights turn into breakdowns, right, and they go on for days or hours, right, and it’s really painful, it’s almost always because they didn’t actually agree upon containers for holding the energy when the energy gets big.

And that’s things like a Mongo dialogue, that’s things like Terry Real’s feedback wheel, you know, there’s a lot of really beautiful communication practices that are the structures for [00:31:00] that energy that needs to move. And then once the energy moves, kind of like the rocks on the side of a river, then it can be clear and, and things can kind of return back to a state of repair.

And one of the things that I always like to remember is that secure attachment happens in repair. It’s the repair that creates the secure attachment, not the absence of rupture. And so people who learn communication skills, really beautiful communication skills, they have the Are learning the art of repair.

Melissa: Yeah. Beautiful. And like we said, at the very start of this, this is a lifelong journey. It’s like forever. We’ll be learning this and embodying this and practicing this. Now your work emphasizes the balance of the masculine and feminine energy. So how can we cultivate and maintain this balance in our daily lives?

And then particularly within our relationships as well. 

John: Yeah. Well, that’s a very, I mean, we could do a whole workshop on that. Melissa, [00:32:00] what’s up? All right, so we all have a masculine and feminine, right? The part of us that enjoys stillness, the part of us that enjoys navigating time and space, the part of us that is penetrative versus receptive, that is our masculine.

David would talk about it in terms of, you know, consciousness, right? Consciousness moving is the masculine moving.

Energy, love energy, expression, we’re all basically nothingness and energy. And so, without getting too esoteric, the more that we’re sort of trending into stillness, into groundedness, into depth, right, the more we’re in our masculine. And the more we’re expressing, the more we’re moving energy, the more we’re in our feminine.

By the way, I’ve written about this, is that the integration, and I was talking about men in particular, but this is true for all humans. The integration of awareness, meaning I’m aware of this [00:33:00] sensation, I’m aware of this emotion, I’m aware of this need, I’m aware of this feeling, so the integration of my awareness and my sensitivity, you know, my intuition, my sensitivity, the sensations in my body, the awareness of those two things and the merging of those two things is sort of the integration of masculine and feminine.

So the way that looks is. I come home and I walk in the door and I can feel, like my awareness is, is triggered, like, ooh, something’s up here. I’m aware something is happening and I’m kind of feeling it, I’m, it tingles in my body, right? And so I’m going to sense where, what’s going on in the house. Maybe I’ll feel you and I can feel that you’re tense.

And so I’m literally sensing and I’m bringing my awareness. I’m using my body and my, my consciousness. And I’m feeling like, oh, something is up. She’s overwhelmed, for example, right? She’s overwhelmed with work and children and things to do. [00:34:00] What can I do in this moment to relieve her of that overwhelm?

And so I might say, let me take the laundry, go upstairs my love, have a bath, you know, and then come back down and I’ll pour you a glass of wine kind of thing, right? So that’s me, you know, using both my sensitivity, my feminine, and my awareness, my masculine, to kind of help this woman. Liberate love in the moment or lead us in that moment, lead the relationship in that moment.

Of course, you could do the same thing. It’s not gender specific, right? But it’s that combination of my awareness and my sensitivity. Now, I could do the opposite. I could come home, just go straight to the couch, straight to the fridge, grab a beer, go straight to the couch, turn on the game, not feel anything, not like scan, not use my awareness to scan the house and feel that you’ve had a shit day.

And I could remove my awareness and my sensitivity from the field, [00:35:00] how would that feel, you know, that’s normally the complaint that, you know, I’m speaking from, you know, from for men here primarily, but that’s normally the complaint that women have is that we lack awareness and sensitivity. So the capacity to do practices that train my awareness, meditation, you know, being able to actually.

Be aware of where I’m putting my awareness, like, is my awareness on thought, is my awareness on my body, is my awareness on the space, is my awareness on her body? Being able to train my awareness is, is sort of a martial arts of sorts. And so for men and women to be able to train their awareness and kind of take control of their awareness.

Is the great masculine skill. The great evidence skill is to become more sensitive because I’m moving my body because it’s open because I’m breathing because I’m, I’m doing the things to crack open my body. And which makes me more sensitive to the moment, and that is the great feminine skill, sensitivity and expression.[00:36:00] 

And so training ourselves to be able to work all of those skills on the spectrum from the uber masculine, sitting in stillness for two hours, staring at a rock to, you know, being able to fully express. Every sensation I’m feeling in this moment, you know, learning to be able to do both of those things is what I end up training both men and women in so that now I’ve got this toolkit.

I’ve got all these, all these paints in my, that I can use in my palette. If I’m needing to be more sensitive or more, more, if I’m needing to be more in the energy, I can drift into that. If I’m needing to be more aware, I can drift into that. If I’m needing to be sort of the perfect combination of awareness and sensitivity, I know how to do that.

And so, It’s kind of like a combination of meditative, yogic, and martial arts skills that I think we all need, and I teach, and then that kind of allows [00:37:00] us to cultivate both our masculine and feminine together. 

Melissa: Yeah, beautiful. I love that so much. And when we do this, it removes blame, but you’re not showing up, but you did this, like it removes that because we’re taking ownership.

And this is something that I see a lot with different people. It’s like, you’re not doing this. You’re not showing up. There’s so much blame. So when we’re in that place, how do we quickly get out of that? 

John: Normally when we’re in that place, we’re in a wounded childhood state. David Data has these three stages, right?

And in the first stage, it’s really about me, what I want, what I need, what you’re not giving me. Right. And so when I’m in that, when I’m in that stage, I’m usually in the Unresolved childhood patterning that I’ve carried with me my whole life, you know, I couldn’t count on mom or dad. And so now you’re doing the same thing.

I can’t count on you. [00:38:00] And so I’m going to tell you how I can’t count on you. And normally when we’re in the first stage, I would call this the more the self centered stage, this unhealthy, selfish place. Normally, when we’re doing that, you do this and we’re blaming, we’re going to get the same thing back.

Well, you don’t do this and while you’re doing this, right, right. So we’re normally going to get defensiveness back. We’re normally going to get withdrawal back. We’re normally going to get their childhood wound, whatever it is. Could be withdrawal, could be attack. They’ll be in fight or flight. So I think the first thing that has to happen is we have to be aware.

I’m using that term very, very specifically. We have to be aware, like, Oh. There she is. There’s my little girl wanting to have a tantrum or there’s my little boy, you know, wanting to throw things and I’m aware that that’s my inner child. That’s my adaptive child. So I’m aware. Oh, there it is. And it usually comes up in a whoosh.

Cherry Reel likes to talk about it like it’s a whoosh that comes up. [00:39:00] And so the moment we feel the whoosh, the antidote is usually awareness and breath, which we could call awareness, the masculine, breath, the feminine, right? You know, we could use life force, like breath is life force, breath is the feminine, right?

And so we take three deep breaths, And we, and then we just become aware and then soften our bodies and. Maybe speak what you need, what you need. Like, Hey, I would need for me to feel relaxed in this moment, I would need us to just take a few breaths together for me to be able to tell you what I’m upset about.

I would need just to like feel your nervous system and your body soften. You know what I would need in order to trust you in this relationship is dot, dot, dot. So we take responsibility for our own nervous system. And then we clearly say what we would need. Moving forward, [00:40:00] easier said than done, certainly not impossible and definitely better than you always, you never.

Melissa: Yeah. Now, for me personally, I like in my marriage to be led. I like to be led. I like him to kind of like lead the way for us. And that sometimes can look like I’m waiting a long time. I want your opinion on this. Is that desire of mine to be led okay? Or do I then have to be okay with it sometimes taking a little while?

Or should I just step in and like lead the way? Do you know what I mean sometimes? 

John: Yeah. I mean, that’s a sentiment I hear from a lot of women that even though, because the modern woman leads so much. 

Melissa: So much. Like I’m leading the family. I’m leading my own business. I just want to be led. I want to be like taken care of by my man.

You know? [00:41:00] 

John: Oftentimes, it is waiting. But no, there’s nothing wrong with it. It’s a very common thing. The feminine does not want to make decisions. The feminine wants to feel. The feminine wants to intuit. The feminine wants to express. In all of us, in all of us, right? Men, men too. My feminine too. And so, the feminine wants to just be in expression.

And be in feeling. And be in flow. So, often times what I see with women who are so capable of leading, They will do it habitually because they’re so good at it. Oftentimes just sort of training ourselves to be like, okay, wait a minute, I’m habitually taking the reins of our date night. Ooh, I don’t want to do that.

So how could I just sort of soften everything and be an invitation to be led? It’s kind of like the shape, like your body could take, feel the difference in this, these two shapes. The shape is I’m in charge. [00:42:00] I’m leading this. Versus, she who must be led. They’re two different shapes. And they’re two different transmissions.

And so. If you are she who must be led and she’s waiting to be led and you could even say like, my love, I’m waiting for your leadership. That’s correct. Even that. But if you’re saying it from the place of she who must be led, not she who’s leading and is pissed off that she has to leave. Most men are fine with that.

Most men are like, Oh yes, of course, my love. All right, let me, let me figure this out. 

Melissa: And like, sometimes he’ll say to me in the past, I’m aware. Literally, I can see him going, I’m aware. I’m just trying to fit this in. Like, where can we do this? So like, you know, I can see him doing that. Then there’s a part of me that’s like, why should I have that expectation on him as well?

Cause you know, expectations, they ruin relationships. You know what I mean? So I’m like, should I just do it? 

John: No, not if you want a polarized [00:43:00] moment. Now look, if there’s shit that needs to get done, and you know how to do it better than him, by all means, right? But if you want to be in that moment where you can let go of, of your sort of the masculine body that you have to wear, you know, probably more than you like, and you can let go of it, then yes, you do have to kind of give him space to figure it out.

And, you know, if he’s good and I’m sure he is, but if he’s good, he’ll say, my love, give me five minutes or he’ll say, here’s a glass of wine. Just sit on the couch and enjoy it. I’m going to check a few things and in a few minutes I’ll have some options for us. Right? That way he’s kind of continually holding you in this time space continuum and the masculine gift Is mastery of that time space continuum.

So if he says, let’s say it’s date night and he says at 10 AM, okay, I want you to wear something you just love and feel so beautiful in and be ready at [00:44:00] six and at six, I’m going to, you know, have a place I’m going to pick you up or I’m going to come and get you. And we’re going to go, we’re going to go out and dah, dah, dah, dah.

And I’ve got it from there. You know, that’s good, masculine leadership. And I always like to tell men like. You need to be able to lead when she wants you to, or when it’s needed, right? Like there are times when, you know, like coming in and taking care of stuff is needed by a man. And so that is a sensitivity aspect, but especially when you want him to, you know, to be able to step up and take the reins and take that, that’s a, that’s a beautiful gift.

Melissa: Yeah. And I see from my side too, like he is leading so much, like he is holding so much. He is an entrepreneur. He’s a musician. He has multiple companies. He’s also building our dream home. He’s holding a lot in one day. And his mind is like, I’m moving from this to this, to this, like he’s [00:45:00] holding a lot. And I can see that.

See that he’s holding a lot. So that’s when I kind of step in and I’m like all organized in it’s all good. But like, when it comes to like intimacy, I want him to lead that. Like, I’m like very sure that’s where I definitely want him to lead, but yeah, I can see his full, do you know what I mean? Yeah, 

John: of course.

And the modern family has so much of this going on to be compassionate to each other. Right. To be compassionate and to say like, you know, I’ll teach workshops for five days at the end of that workshop. The last fucking thing I want to do is come home and leave. You know, so, so I’m, I’m going to say like my love, like here, you know, you’re in charge tonight.

Like, you know, you could just tell me what to do, tell me what to do. But I’m. I’m aware enough that I’m handing it over to her. So it’s not like an expectation that she’s that I’m just expecting her to do that. I’m giving her the awareness of it. And so learning the [00:46:00] flow of when he should be in charge, like around intimacy and when you should be in charge now, just to, if we want to go kind of upper level a little bit, the more your man is holding, The less he’s normally in his sex body.

Melissa: Yes. And that’s what he sometimes will say, he’s like, I need a minute. Can you like, give me a grounding? Or can you help bring me back into my body? Can you just give me like a five minute grounding? And I’m like, sure. No worries. He’ll lay down. I’ll give him a grounding. And then he’s like back in his body.

So yes, I agree with you on that. 

John: Yeah. And so, so anything you can do, and I’m saying this, you know, for the women that might be listening, like, you know, don’t interpret his tightness with lack of desire, which a lot of women will do. They’ll take it personally. No, no, no. 

Melissa: Yeah. You don’t find me attractive.

You don’t want to be with me. Yes. 

John: You care more about this. You care more about work than me. I mean, you know, we hear all this. No, [00:47:00] normally he’s with you because he finds you attractive and loves you. Right? So that is the moment and I’m talking, you know, for the women now. So the moment that, you know, the, the example I gave where he steps into the house, he feels you, he realizes he has to turn up his masculine to take your masculine away from you and let you be in flow.

Well, this is the opposite. So if he’s, if he’s not feeling, he’s not feeling in his body, right? You have to turn up your feminine. In order to bring pleasure into his body. And I’m not saying necessarily sexually, but just to like brushing his chest down and grounding exercises, breathing in his ear, moaning in his ear, you know, just stroking his heart, like touching his thighs and grounding them and, and, you know, feeling the, the turn on in your body helps to bring him, you know, into his, let’s call it sex body, right?

The part of, you [00:48:00] know, the body of him. And David used to talk about it as giving your man a heart, heart on like turning everything like, like literally his heart is everything’s alive. Everything’s alive. His heart’s alive. His body’s alive. And the way David used to describe it, it’s not, I don’t think it’s quite this simple, but it’s a nice example.

You know, it’s the feminine’s responsibility to bring this man into a heart hard on. Then, once he’s there, it’s his responsibility to lead the intimacy. Yeah. And I, and it’s a very generous, very generous thing that couples who understand polarity do for each other pretty consistently. 

Melissa: Yeah, I love that so much.

Speaking from the feminine, you got to open this first. You got to open the heart chakra first before we go to the sex chakra, you know, like it’s very much about heart to heart connection for me. So of course it would be for him too. So I love that. That’s really beautiful. 

John: It is, I’ll just say, a little different for men.

Like, you need [00:49:00] this first before sex, right? He needs them both simultaneously. Like, he needs to, if you just focus on his heart, his body won’t necessarily follow. Whereas for most women, when your heart is open, your body will follow. And so, men kind of need that bring me back into my body and open my heart kind of thing.

Because it, men, men will often be this experience of having a lot of love for their partner, but not turn on. That’s a little bit of a difference between, you know, masculine beings and feminine beings that I’ve found. 

Melissa: I love this so much. This is just gold. It’s so gold. And I want to ask your opinion, if you had a magic wand and you could put one book in the school curriculum of every high school around the world, now let’s presume your book and your future book is in there because it absolutely should be.

What is one book that kind of encompasses what you are speaking about? Or [00:50:00] maybe it doesn’t, it could be a book on a completely different topic, but you know, we want that 15, 16, 17, 18 year old, like what’s a book that you would recommend? 

John: That’s a really good question. The Way of the Superior Man, I think is definitely one, but that would just be for a lot of women read that book too.

Okay. I’m going to, it’s going to be a tie between The Way of the Superior Man and the book called Breathe by James Nestor. Breathe. Is really a explains the importance of, of deep, slow breathing. And what it does to the body, what it does to the face, what it does to the brain, what it does to all of us.

And so something on, if it’s not James Nestor’s book, something on breath and the importance of breath as a nervous system, as the key to nervous system regulation. 

Melissa: Absolutely. So important. And again, it’s a free thing that we can all do that can [00:51:00] instantly calm your nervous system and regulate your nervous system.

And I’m such a huge fan of breath work, absolutely. And it doesn’t have to be like even a formal practice, but like just then when you were talking, I was just, I dropped my breath. And instantly felt different. So I love that so much. Now I want to hear about your practices. I want to know how you move through your day.

What is your morning routine? Talk us through a quote unquote, typical day in your life. And I know no two days are ever the same, but I would love to hear your little rituals, your things that you do. 

John: Yeah. Yeah, well, I, I’ve actually, you know, created my whole life to have a couple hours in the morning so that I can do this, right?

Not everybody has that freedom, but I negotiated it. And so nothing starts until, you know, 10 or 11 o’clock. Normally I wake up usually 6, 6. 30. A little later, I used to wake up really early, but I’m trying to get a good seven hours of sleep. So I’ll usually wake up around six or so. I [00:52:00] take my time kind of coming into the day, but pretty, pretty shortly thereafter, I usually take a 30 to 40 minute walk and I’m usually, you know, really in a kind of a walking meditation and in a, you know, in a pretty brisk, pretty brisk walk.

So I walk right off the bat. And then I will come home, I will normally do some version of yoga or qigong, and then I will usually sit for 10, 15, 20 minutes, and I’ll do that in the morning, and then I’ll often, this is relatively new, and then I’ll get in the cold plunge. So I usually do all of those things pretty much first thing in the morning.

When I’m really on, I will write. So I will write in the morning. I’ve recently sort of shifted that. So if I do all of those things. Everything that follows. If I do that work and then I write, I’ve taken care of my body, mind, breath. Right. And then I’ve, I have attended to my purpose and then everything that follows that is goal.

And [00:53:00] so what I’ve started doing in the last year or so is I also have an evening routine and the evening routine will usually be some practices. Sometimes they’re Tibetan breath practices. Sometimes they’re, it’s just a, it’s a long sitting meditation, long stillness meditation where I do specific kinds of breath work.

And I will often. Kind of wind down from my day doing that. Sometimes I’ll do what’s called nonlinear movement, which is like a breath and movement practice that I learned from one of my teachers, Cass Phelps. So yeah, I usually try to do both morning and a little bit in the evening, and I can’t do it every day.

But when I’m really on my game, I, I do, I do that every day. 

Melissa: Mm. Beautiful. I love that bookending your day with self care, filling yourself up. It’s so beautiful. I love it. Yeah. Especially if you’re giving so much, you know, you’re running five day retreats and things like that. You definitely need to fill yourself up for sure.

I’ve got three rapid fire questions for you now. Are you ready? 

John: Ready. Let’s roll. 

Melissa: Okay. What is one thing that [00:54:00] we can all do today for our health? 

John: Take a long walk. 

Melissa: What’s one thing that we can do for our wealth? 

John: Okay. I, I’ve done this a lot in my, you know, as I built my wealth, I’ve done this a lot. And that is just take a few moments to imagine, you can say this to yourself, or you can just imagine money coming.

The phrase I like to use is money is easy, it just comes. Money is easy, it just comes, money is easy, it just comes and you know, just sort of imagine money kind of raining down, pouring down on me. Something along those lines. And that takes 30 seconds and you immediately, your nervous system immediately feels that.

Melissa: Absolutely. It’s so beautiful. And last one, what is one thing that we can do for more love in our life? 

John: Oh, this is a good one. Praise. Praise. Like, you can praise your partner, you know, take, say, like, two minutes, like, you’ve been working so hard, just let me, let me praise you for two minutes. Or you can send a text to a good friend.

And so, so [00:55:00] you blast love out, blasting love out as praise and acknowledgement is one of those things that, that turns a really crappy day into a good day pretty fast. 

Melissa: I just realized, as you said, that I’m very good at praising my daughter and I’m very good at praising my friends. And sometimes I forget to praise my husband who’s like working his behind off for our family.

You know? 

John: Men love to hear that. Everything you’re doing for us, I know how hard you’re working. Oh my God, men, men are starved to hear that. 

Melissa: I know. Thank you for the reminder, my friend, to do that. And we need these little reminders. And I’m such a big fan of like, even writing it down on a post it note, or like having a reminder in your phone until it becomes habit, you know, and then you can associate, okay, every time I brush my teeth, I see that post it note that says praise my husband or whatever, and then it becomes a habit.

And I’m just like life, especially when you’ve got children, you just move through your day and my world is so focused [00:56:00] on her. And you can sometimes forget. So I’m such a big fan of like putting these little nuggets of wisdom and reminders around yourself to help you to support you until they become like embodied habits.

John: Yes, exactly. The one line that I think just speaking for my brothers here, the one line that I think women can always bring more of is you’re such a good man, hand on heart, just you’re such a good man. And that does so much for a man’s soul and nervous system. And it takes five seconds. 

Melissa: Yes, I’ve recently started saying that a lot to my dad.

You’re such a good dad. Like you’re such a good man. You did so well, dad. As he’s getting older, I keep saying, and he’s like, Oh darling, no, no, no, no. And I’m like, no dad, you did a really good job and I really hope that you know that. And I can see his whole demeanor soften when I say that. And I genuinely mean it.

But it’s such a nice reminder, like, I think we forget that our men need this. We forget. We [00:57:00] see them on their mission and we see them out there doing their thing, but they need it too. And it’s so simple. One sentence, I’m proud of you or I see you or whatever it is. Just goes such a long way. It fills them up.

I see it with my husband. I say it to him and he is full. I thank you so much for this reminder. It’s been so beautiful. John, is there anything else? Any last parting words of wisdom or anything that you wanted to leave us with? 

John: I think it would be go first. Be the first to overexpress love, be the first to apologize, be the first to be affectionate, be the first praise, be the first, you know, go first, no need to wait for somebody else to go first.

You, you be the one. 

Melissa: Yes. My husband actually says that too. And he’s like, be the first to like, when you’re going for a walk, smile at someone or say, good morning, or let people go in front of you. Like be that first person. And that’s another really beautiful reminder to do that in our relationship and our friendships.

You know, it’s just such a beautiful [00:58:00] little thing that we can do. So I love that now, John, like I said, at the very start of this, I’ve wanted to have you on this podcast for so many years, you’ve been on my dream list. So I am so grateful. I absolutely love the work that you are doing. You are helping serving, supporting so many people all over the world.

So I wanted to say how grateful I am and everyone else is, but I want to know, like, how can I and the listeners give back and serve you today? What can we do to serve you? 

John: Thank you. It’s very kind. You share my work. I guess it’d be a good way to do a good way to give back to me. The thing that I’m actually most proud of that I don’t talk about a lot is we have a, it’s a platform of all of the workshops 10 years.

We’ve literally taken footage from every workshop. Every practice, thousands of hours of content, hundreds of practices, couples practices, men’s practices, women’s practices, it’s so full of so many [00:59:00] amazing things. And that platform is called the Embodied Relationship Experience. platform. And, and we’re really proud of that.

It’s inexpensive. It’s free if you want to do a trial. And I’d love to get more people into that because it’s a great way for us to be able to just kind of show up and hit play and practice and, and get connected. And so that’s something I think that I would love people to be more involved in. 

Melissa: Wonderful.

I’ll link to that as well as all of your amazing programs and books and everything in the show notes so people can go and learn more from you. You have inspired me so much. I’m so grateful. Thank you for being here. Thank you for sharing. You’re always welcome on my podcast. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

John: Right on.

Melissa: I hope you got so much out of this episode. I absolutely loved it. And I am definitely going to be doing and introducing temple nights to our world. [01:00:00] I just think that is such a beautiful idea. It’s something that we occasionally do, but just not as ritualistic and not as sacred and I just want to bring in a couple more of those elements that he spoke about.

You know, the candles and the rugs and things like that. I just think it’d be so special. And you don’t have to go out and do all of these fancy things. Temple nights at home are free and as deeply soul nourishing. So I hope you love this conversation. And if you did, please subscribe and follow the show and leave me a review on Apple podcast.

If you haven’t already. Send me a screenshot of your review to my Instagram at Melissa Ambrosini and I will send you a little thank you gift. I’d be so grateful if you could do that. And now come and tell me on Instagram what you got from this episode. I absolutely love hearing your key takeaways. And just remember that when you listen to a podcast, if you don’t actually stop and reflect on what your key takeaways are, you won’t embed them, you won’t [01:01:00] embody them.

So it’s great practice to every time you listen to an audio book or a podcast or you read a book or anything like that, to stop and to write down your biggest key takeaways and then revisit them and implement them into your life and start to embody them. So come and share them with me. And before I go, I just wanted to say thank you so much for being here, for wanting to be the best, the healthiest, and the happiest version of yourself, and for showing up today for you.

You rock, my friend. Now, if there’s someone in your life that you can think of that would really benefit from this episode, please share it with them right now. You can take a screenshot, share it on your social media, email it to them, text it to them, do whatever you’ve got to do to get this in their ears.

And until next time, don’t forget that love is sexy, healthy is liberating, and wealthy isn’t a dirty word.

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