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Content Warning: This episode is about the heartbreaking realities of child sacrifice and human trafficking. Please take care while listening and skip this one if you need to.

What does it take to stop one of the world’s most unimaginable crimes — and help survivors heal?

In this episode, I’m joined by Peter Sewakiryanga, founder of Kyampisi Childcare Ministries in Uganda. Peter’s incredible organization fights against the horrors of child sacrifice, works to bring offenders to justice, and provides crucial rehabilitation for children who have survived these atrocities. 

In this conversation, you’ll learn: what it takes to save lives in one of the most vulnerable regions of East Africa, how his organization is changing the narrative on these crimes, the challenges of enforcing laws against child sacrifice, the remarkable healing journeys of survivors, the life-saving impact of education and healthcare programs, and the simple but powerful ways that you can support this mission and help transform lives.

This is a confronting topic, but an essential conversation about the lives being saved and the work still to be done. 

So if you want to learn how one organization is making an extraordinary difference, or you’re looking for a way to contribute meaningfully to the fight against child exploitation, press play now… this one’s for you.

Note: If you need support, help is available. A list of contact numbers is available below.

About Peter Sewakiryanga

Peter Sewakiryanga and his wife Joeline are tireless advocates for the criminalisation of child sacrifice in Uganda. Peter is a pastor and an accountant, passionate about improving the standard of living for children and their families in Kyampisi. 

As well as pastoring a church, Peter oversees Kyampisi Childcare Ministries. The focus of the organization is to capture and convict child sacrifice offenders, lobby for laws to declare the practice illegal, and rehabilitate children who have been mutilated.

Kyampisi Childcare Ministries provides educational opportunities for the underprivileged and most vulnerable. The school has a 92% pass rate which is the best performance in the region for the past three years. They offer affordable and accessible child and maternal healthcare services. In addition to healthcare, they help provide fresh water to more than 3,000 people in the Kyampisi village.

In this episode we chat about:

• His remarkable organization, how it came about, and its impact on the local communities of Uganda (3:28)
• The biggest challenges they face with local law enforcement — and why it’s so critical to shift the narrative on these horrific crimes (08:04)
• The reality of rescuing children, what it takes to save the lives of hundreds of innocent victims, and why reuniting them with their family is the ultimate goal (11:46)
• The crucial role of education in children’s present and future (16:40)
• The best way to support the cause and help transform more lives (23:30)

Donations:

Donate to Kyampisi here. Every dollar makes a difference.

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If you need support, help is available.

• Australia: Lifeline — Call: 13 11 14.  Prefer not to talk? Text: 0477 13 11 14
  
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• UK: Samaritans: Call 116 123 (free from any phone). Prefer not to talk? Text SHOUT to 85258
• US: Mental Health America: Call or text 988.

Episode resources:

• Peter Sewakiryanga (email)
• How to Catch A Witch Doctor by Amos Roberts (documentary)
• EP547: Unlock Your Earning Potential With The #1 Business Coach In The World with Bruce Campbell (podcast)
• SheLaunch (join here)
• Mastering Your Mean Girl by Melissa Ambrosini (book)
• Open Wide by Melissa Ambrosini (book)
• Comparisonitis by Melissa Ambrosini (book)
• Time Magic by Melissa Ambrosini and Nick Broadhurst (book)
• Kyampisi Childcare Ministries (website)
• Kyampisi Childcare Ministries (Instagram)
• Peter Sewakiryanga (email)
• How to Catch A Witch Doctor by Amos Roberts (documentary)
• EP547: Unlock Your Earning Potential With The #1 Business Coach In The World with Bruce Campbell (podcast)

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Melissa: [00:00:00] In episode 617 with Peter Sawakiriyanga, we are talking about the devastating thing that is happening right now in the world, and that is human sacrifice. This episode comes with a warning and you should not listen to this episode if you are under 18 or pregnant. Now, what Peter shares is very horrific.

And if you feel sensitive or are a highly sensitive person, I would not recommend listening to this episode. But this topic is happening in the world right now and we can help. Let’s dive in. Welcome to the Melissa Ambrosini show. I’m your host, Melissa, bestselling author of Mastering Your Mean Girl, Open Wide, Comparisonitis And I’m here to remind you that love is sexy, healthy is liberating, and wealthy isn’t a dirty word.

Each week I’ll be getting up close and personal with thought leaders from around the globe, as well as your weekly dose of motivation so that you can create epic [00:01:00] change in your own life and become the best version of yourself possible. Are you ready beautiful? Hey beautiful. Welcome back to the show.

For those of you that have never heard of Peter, he and his wife, Jolene are tireless advocates for the criminalization of child sacrifice in Uganda. Now Peter is a pastor and an accountant passionate about improving the standard of living for children and their families in Campisi as well as pastoring a church.

He oversees Campisi’s childcare ministries. The focus of the organization is to capture and convict child sacrifice offenders. Lobby for laws to declare the practice illegal and rehabilitate children. Campisi Child Care Ministries provides educational opportunities for the underprivileged and the most vulnerable.

Their school has a 92 percent pass rate, which is the best performance in the region for the past three years, which is just so wonderful. They offer affordable and accessible [00:02:00] child and maternal health care services. In addition to healthcare, they help provide fresh water to more than 3, 000 people in the Camp Easy village.

They rescue children from human trafficking and child sacrifice and place them in an educational program with the ultimate goal to reunite them with their family and their loved ones. Now, how I discovered PETA was one of my business coaches, Bruce, who has been on the podcast. I’ll link to that in the show notes.

He met Peter on an aeroplane coming back from Uganda. One day he sat next to Peter, who was bringing a boy to Australia to have surgery. And you’ll hear about that story in the episode today. And so Bruce introduced me to Peter and his organization, and I’ve heard him speak at a couple of Bruce’s events and was just blown away.

And I met him in person and the work that he is doing is just really important. Now, this episode, like I said, comes with a warning. If you’re feeling very sensitive, if you are pregnant, if you are under 18, I would not recommend listening to this [00:03:00] episode. And for everything that we mentioned in today’s episode, you can check out in the show notes and that’s over at melissarambrosini.

com forward slash six one seven. And also you can donate to his amazing ministry there as well, which I’ll put in the show notes. So now let’s bring on the amazing Peter. Let’s dive in.

Peter, welcome to the show. I’m so excited to have you here. Now, I first heard about you and the amazing work that you’re doing when your charity was the major charity at a big entrepreneurial conference that I was attending. And I was in the audience hearing all about the amazing work that you’re doing.

with my jaw on the floor and couldn’t believe that this was actually happening. But I want you to share with us about the incredible work that Camp Easy Childcare Ministries does and how this [00:04:00] impacts the local communities in Camp Easy. 

Peter Sewakiryanga: Oh, thank you for having me. It’s a brave undertaking for you to share this story of child sacrifice in Uganda that is happening.

It’s a confrontational problem affecting children where children are kidnapped and sacrificed. We use the word sacrifice, but literally, We have people here called witch doctors that prey on children, that kidnap children and mutilate their body parts. They cut their heads off, their ears, whatever they think that is going to help them, and they use their blood and kill them for riches.

That is a big problem that I was confronted, particularly myself, with the first child I met a couple of years ago. who I knew and was kidnapped and mutilated, went missing for three days, and then we found his decapitated body in the bush. So I was confronted with [00:05:00] that reality personally. And I worked with the family and the police.

They were willing, but they were also confused on how to go about it. And then I realized there was a bigger problem. Children in Uganda are kidnapped for witchcraft ritual purposes. And they believe that when you kill a child, you get wealth, you get protection, or when you use their body parts, the ears, the nose.

You will mix them with witchcraft articles to get wealth. If you’re building a big building, you’ll use those body parts mixed with the witchcraft articles to finish your building and get clients in. So there’s a demand of body parts of children, their blood, and there is a supply to these. And unfortunately, it cuts across all spheres of life, rich men order for the body parts of children, which doctors go and kidnap and mutilate the children and supply those body parts.

And sometimes we have seen children [00:06:00] buried alive under construction sites because they believe their construction project is going to be finished by that blessing. Politicians use these body parts to win elections. And so that’s what we do. We are involved in the rescue. When that child has been killed and the perpetrators have gone free, we conduct witch doctor hunting and their accomplices to go and arrest them and take them to court for justice.

We run a rehab center that looks after children that have been rescued from those witch doctors. Some of them are maimed. hands cut off, genitals mutilated. The largest majority of those children die. So the Rehabilitation Center does the medical treatment, the witness protection, because those children sometimes are the main suspects in court, and then their education.

I mean, right now we have about 126 children in our rehab center that have been rescued from child sacrifice and trafficking that we are taking care of and then providing education. The [00:07:00] entrepreneur business school, EBS foundation helps in finding education for those children and also facilitating medical care.

In fact, Melissa, we had two children. I don’t know if you were able to see the SBS documentary recently that was published, which showed the two kids that were there and they were being helped by Australian surgeons and doctors to recover. So two boys who needed genital reconstruction surgery. One of them is still there, the Mata Children’s Hospital.

And then another child in the U. S. that is receiving also surgery. So we facilitate life saving medical reconstruction surgeries when it is needed. And we don’t have the expertise in Uganda to do that. 

Melissa: Wow. It’s an unimaginable horror. Yeah, I can’t believe this is happening. But I’m so glad there are people like you who are making a difference and who are helping your [00:08:00] organization rehabilitating, educating.

It’s really beautiful. How is your organization successfully lobbied for laws to criminalize this practice? And what challenges do you continue to face to ensure that these laws are enforced? 

Peter Sewakiryanga: We just only recently. was successful to get a law after 10 years of lobbying, which is called the prevention and prohibition of human sacrifice.

It took us 10 years lobbying parliament, justifying the need for it, going all over the country, collecting the information, the facts and the cases that we have heard. And that law was passed just recently. So we had some laws that would be used for prosecution of those suspects, but. it was not sufficient.

So that took a lot of fighting, a lot of lobbying, a lot of showing the reality of what we were facing. Pictures of the children that we found decapitated and dead and rotting in the bushes [00:09:00] and compiling those as a reality check to parliament and government. And successfully last year, we were able to get that law passed, but also that law was escalated by.

a very tragic case of a child. We had a six year old child called Faith, and a witch doctor was arrested at the gate of the Ugandan parliament. And once they checked his bag, they found a head of a six year old child who had gone missing. They questioned him, and he was taking that head to one of the politicians.

in parliament. And so that happened sadly at the time where we were just on the edge of pushing that law. And then they realized, okay, this problem has come to our parliament. And so somehow they realized, okay, this is a problem that we have also here. And that also pushed the law. Sadly, that case was not [00:10:00] very thoroughly investigated.

Partly, my suspicion is because it involved a very powerful politician that would navigate through the processes to stop that investigation. One day, we hope. That will come to the end of that investigation. But that law was passed recently. So it is then when you’re dealing with police to investigate a case, the police has also challenges because the cases are almost victim funded or the family of the victims fund the investigations because the police will tell you they don’t have a car or they don’t have fuel.

Or they don’t have the means to go. And sometimes you need to investigate that case very quickly to get the evidence that you will use in court. And so our role is really each case that happens, collaborate with police to make sure that we have fuel, we have a car, we have the forensic scientists to be able to gather the evidence so that we can get the perpetrators because they [00:11:00] quickly want to avoid being caught.

We almost do a tiger reaction. A case is in this place, we have to go right then and and work together with the police to support the logistical need to be able to get that investigation done. And if there are so many cases, so we are spread seen all over the country to be able to run in different places.

Sometimes you have a couple of cases in a day, in a week that you have to separate. to follow up, to do the investigation. And then you have other cases that you need to take to court and you have the victims in your care that need surgery and care and counseling and feeding. We are only a small organization.

It is quite, uh, stretching us very thin, but we have to do what we need to do. 

Melissa: So the amazing work that you do rehabilitating these children, can you share some of the success stories of healing that you have witnessed? I’d love to hear a couple of the success stories. 

Peter Sewakiryanga: Absolutely. And that [00:12:00] really, Melissa is what keeps us going.

Cause sometimes you are buried into the gravity of the stories and you wonder if things are going too slow, but then you see a child that has gone through this successfully. And then you, you kept going. For example, right now there’s a one boy, 17 years old. He’s in Australia, Brisbane right now, as I talk, he just received surgery from the Mater Children’s Hospital, a very good urologist that we have partnered with in Brisbane.

His name is Dr. David Winkle. The Mater has been amazing. And they have treated these children pro bono, particularly those that have suffered genital mutilation. And that particular doctor, David Winkle, has offered these surgeries pro bono. And the boy there right now, his name is George. was just recently on SBS covering his story.

I first brought him to Australia when he was [00:13:00] six. He was mutilated when he was four and the martyr did a life saving genital reconstruction surgery from nothing because everything of his genitalia were cattle. And so the expertise and the skill that the surgeons in Australia have is amazing. So they received him and the doctor said he would need to be brought back when he’s 17 so they can fix him for the rest of his life.

And he’s there right now receiving medical treatment. But I remember him, the doctors here in Uganda tried to do all they can and they didn’t have the skill to help him. And he was having, he was literally going to have chronic infections, renal failure and possibly eventually die. And so I saw him, I was there about two and a half months ago with him.

In the hospital and another boy, Jesse, who’s seven years, his hand was cut off and also needed genital construction and other surgeries. And I was involved in their [00:14:00] rescue. I saw their, it’s a miracle, their life. And to see them now, especially George say that I am glad I am alive and he’s saved and he can live on for the rest of his life positively.

is such an encouraging one. There’s another child right now who is in the U. S., in Utah, at the children’s primary hospital there. This girl was kidnapped when she was almost two. The witch doctors tied her hands and her legs, put a cloth in her mouth, cut a piece of her tongue. And then they drained blood for a whole year from her.

They put her on the altar for a whole year. When they realized that she was almost dead, they put her in the sack and threw her in the swamp. And just literally by chance, a lady was passing by and had a snorting like a pig and came closer to the sack. And there was a little tiny malnourished child almost dead.

That child was [00:15:00] abused to disability that she doesn’t walk. She can’t, but she has the best smile and she was saved and she’s alive, but she, we had to fly her after that long to the U. S. to get life saving surgery. We have other kids that have survived mutilations in their legs that are alive. And, and, and then we different other children, that one, that girl in the U.

21. is called Hope. The two boys. Jesse and then George is in Australia. Another boy called Alan, who was covered a couple of years ago in 2012 as well. He’s now 21. He was attacked when he was seven and they cut him a shit through his head. He was castrated and they drained, they stabbed him in the neck. It was a coma for two months until he was able to come out and we were able to get his case, arrest the suspects after 10 years.

And they were tried in court. The case took about 13 [00:16:00] years. So we’re able to get justice for him and then get surgery for him at the John Hunter Hospital in Newcastle in Australia. Again, those are just a few of the many. And to see just the journey that it takes for just one child have a complete recovery and justice and the stability of their life is encouraging for us to keep going.

One child is too many to die. And one child is worth to spend all the time so that they can recover from that trauma. 

Melissa: It’s wild that justice takes that long, but the amazing work that you’re doing, the educational work, the healthcare work, these are all cornerstones of your work. And when it comes to the education, you have a 92 percent pass rate at your school.

So what are the key factors behind this success? And how can we Everyone all around the world support your educational initiatives. Like what can we do? 

Peter Sewakiryanga: We believe that education, [00:17:00] especially in our setting, is a sustainable way to change mindset and to support an individual. Because we are dealing with a problem of mindset, we are dealing with a problem of, uh, backwardness, if I may call it, and greed.

And poverty and all these are factors that lead into this. We don’t have the time to expound into that. Largely, if you give a child education, they are self reliant. For example, the boy in Australia. I saw his interview on SBS recently, and he said, I want to be a doctor because I want to help other children because I was helped.

If the doctors didn’t help me, I wouldn’t have been alive or other people that have helped me. So he wants to be empowered to be able to do more without that empowerment. It’s the, the circumstances on the ground here, very complex to be able to be successful. Secondly, it breaks you from the cycle of poverty and [00:18:00] cycle of mindset, where you think that you have to kill a child to get wealth, or you have to get blessings from killing children to build your, I mean, so you create almost.

a community of people who have been changed and have had the experience of that horrible crime against themselves and against their family to be able to get educate others and who is a better advocate than the person who has gone through this experience but the courage to say no to the culture that is killing children and be able to be an advocate.

Right now, the first children we started with are older, like 17 year old, 20 year old, and they’re all desiring to be advocates themselves, but also poverty. If Ghana is one of the poorest countries in the world and To be able to break the cycle of poverty where certainly believe that education has a can break that and so people can come into sponsor a child.

You can sponsor a child [00:19:00] to walk the journey of a child who has gone through that mutilation. We also, Melissa, go ahead and get the children of the perpetrators. That is a little bit controversial. But I think the children of the witch doctors that kill children, once the witch doctor is arrested and taken to prison, those children are equally in some way traumatized and victims.

And so the witch doctor will be in prison for life. These children will never go to school because our action for seeking justice for the one that was sacrificed and killed It’s almost bringing an injustice of lack of no education continuity for the children of those that belong to that person is in prison.

So our school goes to the community, identifies how their children are, and we bring those children to our school so we can give them an education. With that, we break the cycle of being into the area that believes the [00:20:00] kid, the child is going to bless you. but also we help them overcome the trauma of being branded a witch doctor’s child or mother’s child.

and give them the freedom to continue their education and change their family and community. That we have seen. One of the first children that we have sponsored through educations are now the ones literally running the organization. Because they have gone through university, they believe. that that has helped them and they have come back to work and do the counseling and do the teachers in the school and be the doctors in the clinic.

And so we have tested that and we believe that education brings change, especially in our setting in Uganda for now. And then difficult topic to bring to people’s homes and comfort areas. It’s difficult to find a way to look into and how I can help because We are small. We have a lot of going on. We involved in active rescues.

We got on the [00:21:00] field and the cover with police and other operatives to find out who is killing these children. We know we have a list of people. We’re gonna investigate and arrest them. So we have active operations on the ground. We have a clinic and a medical team that is taking care of this journey.

Psychological team that counsels them. We have to follow each case to logical conclusion to court. We have to educate these children and we have to lobby government to make laws and make sure that this is a guiding way to stop this happening to another child. And so the resources we need are many. And one of the things is really sustainability.

If 5, 10 currently that anyone can donate to an organization is going to particularly those operations that we run every day. So whatever that people feel, people can come on the [00:22:00] ground and if they are gifted in operations or care for the children, we invite them to come and visit and let us know and they can support in any way in kind from where they are as well.

And also we’re building a rehab center, which the Interpreter School is helping with. that is going to be the largest rehab center in the country to help not only children that are rescued from child sacrifice and trafficking, but other children of crime, sexual abuse that come to receive medical care, counseling, and rehabilitation as they go through the process of court.

If anyone can let us know, we can engage them in any way that they can support. 

Melissa: Where do we go? What’s the website to donate? 

Peter Sewakiryanga: Our website is www do kya MPIs i org. J org. jpi is a village where privilege of this [00:23:00] issue is the biggest in our country, and so that’s where we set out our campus. There a large campus we’re trying to develop with school and the rehab center and the clinic.

and facilities that will support the healing of a child who has gone through such horrible trauma. 

Melissa: It’s absolutely wild, but I am so glad you are out there doing this work and I will link to the website for anyone listening who would like to donate. Please do. Now, beyond child rescue and education, you also provide fresh water and healthcare to thousands.

So what are the most pressing needs right now? And again, like in that space, in terms of the fresh water and healthcare, what are the most pressing needs and how can we contribute to make a difference in the lives of these children and family? Is it donating? Is that the best thing that we can do? 

Peter Sewakiryanga: We have projects going on, like, for example, Melissa, we are a [00:24:00] foundation organization, literally, we are tackling this problem almost solely in the country.

And so creating infrastructure that supports the operations is quite complex, for example, water. As we provide water on the campus for the children, we provide water for the community. And so there is processes to expand those projects to be able to have clean and sustainable water. We have a clinic, which we are building and expanding.

And so there is construction going on. If people are interested in construction project, we can, they can contact us and we can share those details. But I want to visit and okay to get daddy, their fingers and get on the construction projects and builds. Sometimes it makes it feasible for them to come and see, meet the children, meet the community, meet the campus where we are developing.

We are building a rehab center, which we haven’t finished yet. It’s a big rehabilitation center, which we really want to [00:25:00] finish now so we can have comprehensive care and support to the children. And that is a big project as well. Those who are doctors and nurses and want to come and help and visit any counselors.

I know that Australia is far from Uganda, that might be difficult. Probably the easiest way is to support financially. And then those that are connected, if you know somebody that can help us and that can partner with us, you just connect us and then we can be able to engage and, and invite them to be a part of this.

This is not a Ugandan problem, NHL protection issue. Child sacrifice is expanding now. And I believe that we need a tiger reaction to stop it now from going farther, the borders of Uganda to become a global problem for other countries, especially in Africa. 

Melissa: I’m going to link to your website. I’m going to put your email in the show notes for people to contact you if they feel called.

When I first met you in person and when I first heard about the [00:26:00] work you’re doing, I just had to share because I could not believe this was going on in the world. Being a mother, like it just makes me so emotional. I just can’t believe it’s going on. And I couldn’t not share about this because if I didn’t even know that this was going on, I’m sure there’s a lot of other people that are unaware that this is going on in the world.

And I just wanted to help. And that’s why I wanted you on the show today. So I want to thank you so much for coming on. I want to thank you for the amazing work that you’re doing for these children and their families. And I want to encourage everybody to go to the website, champeasy. org. I’ll link to it in the show notes and please give help, support, whatever you can do.

Thank you for being here. Is there anything else that you would like us to know or any other way that we can support you? 

Peter Sewakiryanga: Melissa, I just want to thank you for being an advocate. I have found over the last couple of years working on this issue [00:27:00] that there are two kind of people you meet. People that will close their eyes and say, I don’t want to hear that.

Because when we go into the gravity of the stuff that is happening, that is going on, it is unbearable to hear, let alone to see when we are on the field picking up the pieces of children who have been mutilated, nobody knows about. The last year’s Uganda police showed that over 3, 000 children went missing and there’s no account to where they are.

And so the gritty details of that is grave. My heart is ripped to the core from the first child I saw to the last I saw two weeks ago who was sacrificed. Is the painful experiences and visuals as fresh to my mind and to my heart, and it doesn’t get better. But it’s not a problem you throw into people’s hearts because it’s not unbearable.

I just want to thank you for your brave pursuit [00:28:00] to be an advocate for this because it creates an awareness with the community you have generously given to many children today. So I just wanted to thank you. But two things is that I know this is a problem and I know many people who are hearing might not even know where to engage.

If you can spare a cup of coffee and you want us to update you, we are updating people all the time to let them know what’s happening. And if they have any questions to engage, let us know. And if from this show, five people would become advocates like you are, would be quite good. And then we can be able to have no challenges of resources on the ground so that we can tackle this problem.

The challenges is the resources, the finances, the ability to feed these children in the rehab center. You can sponsor a child and then we can share with you all the details. So you can give us 5 every month to give us sustainable funding. That will be really good. And all that. It is supported [00:29:00] through our website and you can contact me direct on peter.

champc. org and we can have a conversation to fill on. Melissa, I can even keep you posted on how many people have come from your show so that we can keep track of that because that will help us a lot and come and visit. How awesome it would be Melissa if you come to visit Uganda. So we would love that.

Melissa: Yes. Oh my goodness. I would love that so much. And again, I just want to mention the URL champisi. org and that’s K Y A M P I S I. org. I’ll link to it in the show notes as well, but please, whatever anyone can offer would just be so beneficial. And Peter, again, thank you. You are such a light and I’m so grateful that I’ve got to meet you in person and hug you in person and just.

Feel your heart and your energy. You’re such a beautiful person. The work that you’re doing is just so wonderful. And thank you so much. I’m truly [00:30:00] grateful. 

Peter Sewakiryanga: And Melissa, if anyone is in Brisbane and would like to spend some time with George, the child who’s there, please, we can connect you to him and then give him a hug and encourage him in some way.

Melissa: So beautiful. That’s just so beautiful that he’s got that support and that beautiful doctor for just donating his time. Just so beautiful. This is something that we need to hear. We need to hear because we need to support however we can. So thank you so much. I know this is, it’s a big topic. Like you said, it’s very challenging to hear as a mother, but This is what’s going on.

And if I can do anything, I’m going to do something. So thank you so much. And that is again, K Y A M P I S I. org. If anyone would like to go and donate, please do. But Peter, you are such an angel. The work that you’re doing is so important. I’m so grateful. Grateful and glad that you are out there doing this work and helping so many children and their [00:31:00] families.

And I just hope I get to hug you again in person really soon. 

Peter Sewakiryanga: Yeah. And you too. I’ll be in touch. And thank you, Melissa. Have a great day. 

Melissa: You too, my friend.

One of the most beautiful things about having a platform like this podcast is being able to share about these sorts of things that are happening in the world and being able to help So please reach into your pocket, reach into your heart and go to the link and support as much as you can. It would mean the absolute world to Peter.

So thank you for listening. Thank you for whatever you contribute. You’re amazing. I love you. And we are so blessed.

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